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What are the necessary 5's?
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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-12-18 13:51:30 UTC
I don't know about every Core certificate, but I'd definitely recommend Core Capacitor Elite and Core Integrity Elite. Those two will serve you well in just about any combat situation. Specifically, go for Energy Systems Operation V (faster cap recharge) and Energy Management V (larger capacitor), along with Mechanics V (more hull HP), Hull Upgrades V (more armor HP), Shield Operation V (faster shield recharge), and Shield Management V (larger shield buffer).

Those should help out across the board in just about any ship you fly.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#22 - 2012-12-18 14:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Nurgle
(Advanced)Weapon Upgrades, Lower CPU/PG need. Do I really need to say more.

Logistics(If you fly that)

Jump Drive Calibration/Operation/Conservation (Calibration+Conservation, Oh god the money that saves)

Spaceship Command, Fuel Conservation!, Acceleration Control.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#23 - 2012-12-18 14:46:59 UTC
Apaolo Miros wrote:

What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?


Electronics and Engineering. The two capacitor skillz are also very important to train to 5, except maybe if you fly a passive shield tanked ship. Maybe. Drones to 5 as well. Many larger ships allow the use of five small drones.
Alayna Le'line
#24 - 2012-12-18 15:40:44 UTC
Idicious Lightbane wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:


Elite Drone Operator ELITE <--has Elite in its name twice, self explanatory


http://eveboard.com/pilot/Rain6637 <--not just talking out my sitting end


I'd argue that this cert has a very pointless skill in it's requirements. Electronic warfare drone interfacing just isn't worth the training time. 20 days for 3km longer drone control range, when have you ever wished you'd had a whopping 3km's more control range on drones. It doesn't improve your e-war drones and isn't a pre-req for any items or other skills.


Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing is rather nice if you use sentries a lot. But I wouldn't exactly put it anywhere on the list of "skills "equired at lvl 5"...

Idicious Lightbane wrote:
Drone durability should seriously be rank 1 or 2 at most like the other drone support skills, rank 5 is just to much for what it gives Shocked


Agreed.

Salpad wrote:
Apaolo Miros wrote:

What skills are out there where level 4 just won't do?


Electronics and Engineering. The two capacitor skillz are also very important to train to 5, except maybe if you fly a passive shield tanked ship. Maybe. Drones to 5 as well. Many larger ships allow the use of five small drones.


Not to mention T2 scout drones require Drones V and Scout Drone Operation V, so I'd chalk those two up as pretty much required if you use drones at all (which almost everyone does).
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2012-12-18 19:40:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.

OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.

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Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-12-19 00:21:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Riedle
Rain6637 wrote:
yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.

OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.


Dude,.I took a look at your skills sheet and to be honest, it's not that good. You have completely unnecessary level V's (multitasking level V LOL) . You also have a ton of important skills left at level 3 or 4. You don't have the uber skilled toon that you think you do. Not by a long shot. You can't even use warrior 2 drones...


I looked before and only mention this now as this is the second time you have mentioned it.

This is what happens when you concentrate too much on the certificates, you get skills you don't need and skip ones that are critical.

Instead of giving advice you should really be receiving it.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-12-19 01:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I'm working on drones, min maxed for them all. so. thanks. on it.

i never claimed to have an uber skilled toon, btw, that's in your imagination. bro

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Leopold Jakuard
State Of Unrest
#28 - 2012-12-19 01:36:22 UTC
The boost from Gas Cloud Harvesting IV to V is just too important, nobody should collect with T1 harvester and w/o the skill to V.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-12-19 13:11:14 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
yeah, ok wouldn't couldn't shouldn't... thanks for the critique, but I didn't ask for it. Elite is Elite, otherwise it would be called, "core competency Everybody and Their Mom Has" not everyone thinks it's a good idea, few will have it.

OP I'm the only one who has shown the skills they've recommended. Just sayin'.


Except that you kind of did. You claimed that elite certificates are the way to go.

That may tbe the case if that is your goal, the elite certificates. But as your skills relate - it is not necessarily the way to do it if you want a properly skilled character for what you want to do with it.

The issue was that you are putting too much stock into the elite certificates. There are cases where they lead you down the wrong road.

Riedle
Lonig
Destruction Unlimited
#30 - 2012-12-21 15:40:40 UTC
I disagree on Drone Durability.

Pre-Ret, yes. Post, no. Having that 5% per skill level is rather handy in everything not L4+->WH->Bombers. I'd take it to L3 at least, and possibly 4 if you are early in your career. I agree taking it all the way to lvl 5 is pointless. But 1 or 2 is no longer good enough for folks who don't have T2s. And taking it to level 4 is not that much of an effort anyway.

It isn't a huge priority, and it won't do a huge amount, but if you've come close to losing a drone on recalling them, this might just let them make it back. And a penny saved is a penny earned.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-12-21 17:52:23 UTC
I'm a big fan of Core Competency to Elite, and High Velocity Helmsman to Elite (still working on this one). Everything else comes down to what you like to fly, really. That said, those skills will affect everything you pilot almost all the time.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#32 - 2012-12-24 12:19:56 UTC
Riedle wrote:


Dude,.I took a look at your skills sheet and to be honest, it's not that good. You have completely unnecessary level V's (multitasking level V LOL) . You also have a ton of important skills left at level 3 or 4. You don't have the uber skilled toon that you think you do.


A pure Logistics pilot would not agree. Multi to V makes a world of difference when your locking and dropping Broadcasts.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-12-24 12:53:08 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Riedle wrote:


Dude,.I took a look at your skills sheet and to be honest, it's not that good. You have completely unnecessary level V's (multitasking level V LOL) . You also have a ton of important skills left at level 3 or 4. You don't have the uber skilled toon that you think you do.


A pure Logistics pilot would not agree. Multi to V makes a world of difference when your locking and dropping Broadcasts.


How so?
Lonig
Destruction Unlimited
#34 - 2012-12-24 14:47:58 UTC
Riedle wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
A pure Logistics pilot would not agree. Multi to V makes a world of difference when your locking and dropping Broadcasts.
How so?


More targets pre-targetted = quicker reps

Basi has 10 max targets. V targeting and V multi = 10 targets iirc
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#35 - 2012-12-24 18:10:25 UTC
Lonig wrote:
More targets pre-targetted = quicker reps

Basi has 10 max targets. V targeting and V multi = 10 targets iirc

You get a couple of targets "for free". I think you only need Multitasking at 3 to get 10 targets.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#36 - 2012-12-24 19:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Zor'katar wrote:
Lonig wrote:
More targets pre-targetted = quicker reps

Basi has 10 max targets. V targeting and V multi = 10 targets iirc

You get a couple of targets "for free". I think you only need Multitasking at 3 to get 10 targets.

Targeting 0: 2
Targeting 1: 3
Targeting 2: 4
Targeting 3: 5
Targeting 4: 6 [requirement of Core Targeting Basic]
Targeting 5: 7

Multitasking 1: 8 [requirement of Core Targeting Standard]
Multitasking 2: 9
Multitasking 3: 10 [requirement of Core Targeting Elite]
Multitasking 4: 11
Multitasking 5: 12

How to get extra targets:
Automated Targeting System II (high slot): +3 targets [doesn't need to be activated]
Signal Amplifier II (low slot): +2 targets [passive module]

I use an ATS II on my Rattlesnake (5 drones + 5 NPC), and sometimes Chimera, and the SA II on my Raven Navy Issue (primarily for range, but the extra targets are nice). I've not used one on a T2 Logistics ship, but I suspect they might have use on a T1 logistics cruiser (free high slots).
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-12-24 19:23:40 UTC
Thanks fellas.

There is no requirement for logi's to be able to target 10 ships other than multitasking 3.

So a logi pilot, like myself, would call BS to multi-tasking V being needed.

Again, another case of following the certificates to the detriment of common sense.

Riedle
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#38 - 2012-12-24 19:27:32 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Again, another case of following the certificates to the detriment of common sense.

As I posted, Multitasking 5 isn't required by any certificate.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-12-24 19:45:11 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Riedle wrote:
Again, another case of following the certificates to the detriment of common sense.

As I posted, Multitasking 5 isn't required by any certificate.


You are, indeed, correct.

Edit:

Quote:
Another case of min/maxing to the detriment of common sense.


:)

Riedle
Lonig
Destruction Unlimited
#40 - 2012-12-24 20:10:22 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
Lonig wrote:
More targets pre-targetted = quicker reps

Basi has 10 max targets. V targeting and V multi = 10 targets iirc

You get a couple of targets "for free". I think you only need Multitasking at 3 to get 10 targets.

Targeting 0: 2
Targeting 1: 3
Targeting 2: 4
Targeting 3: 5
Targeting 4: 6 [requirement of Core Targeting Basic]
Targeting 5: 7

Multitasking 1: 8 [requirement of Core Targeting Standard]
Multitasking 2: 9
Multitasking 3: 10 [requirement of Core Targeting Elite]
Multitasking 4: 11
Multitasking 5: 12

How to get extra targets:
Automated Targeting System II (high slot): +3 targets [doesn't need to be activated]
Signal Amplifier II (low slot): +2 targets [passive module]

I use an ATS II on my Rattlesnake (5 drones + 5 NPC), and sometimes Chimera, and the SA II on my Raven Navy Issue (primarily for range, but the extra targets are nice). I've not used one on a T2 Logistics ship, but I suspect they might have use on a T1 logistics cruiser (free high slots).



I don't think I've ever been proved more wrong in such an informative manner. Props to you for that. I'll do a bit more research next time I think I post something I'd use "iirc" on. :)
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