EVE General Discussion

So now that you are no longer in a NPC corp; nerfing industrialist still in NPC corps into oblivion is a go??

Chill man. High sec is still eve. There is more to do in null sec than high sec. I suggest you go to null sec and enjoy it.

Nobody's saying they are.

They can, they did, they will continue to do so. Pity.

What ever makes your little carebear heart happy. But I'm sure an incursion like activity in null would be a welcome break for your drones (the human ones that serve your FCs). And since you dont have to worry about someone to ninja your salvage and such it would be a massive boost to null.

My agenda is to grow EvE's player base and make its markets liquid. Simple and clear like water.

Edit: "grow player base" means an increased chance at statistically getting suitable people for whatever gameplay you like. It also means letting CCP hire more staff to create more content and more fixes.

I don't hide behind manifestos, I don't sit behind idiosynchrasies (like: the richest and largest alliance calling for buffs that will directly make them even stronger), I don't spam dozens of threads all about impairing somebody else, I don't coordinate 3rd party blogs to instill an ideology on the general playerbase.

CCP have a line of "keep intervention as small as possible", other companies can afford to continuously "tune" the gameplay, their MMOs are linear and canned and thus they really try to align the players into doing the "obvious path" that "should be followed".

Not so for EvE, it has to give a spectrum of equivalent paths else it'd not be a sandbox game but a canned path game.
I.e. a good example of such freedom would be WHs: you can get fairly large rewards but the real kind of player they are aimed at is: those who like being able to establish an independent, mostly blob and cyno free "small town of yours" experience.

A bad model would be "it's obvious and imposed that you have born in hi sec then you are meant to do this and that and in the end you are meant to end up in null sec.

The kind of player hi sec is aimed at is: "safety" and "casual play".
The kind of player low sec is aimed at is: FW, quick(er) PvP, solo camping / station games, "lone wolf" or "small pack" game play, piracy, ransoming.

Hi sec is not the "newbie playground till they grow up and go play in null".

In fact the reason why back at the time I proposed in assembly hall an EvE with "newbie hi sec islands, rest all null sec" was exactly because I believe there's a sharp distinction between newbies and "hi seccers". Newbies are actually better (less clone / implants and ships costs) to leave hi sec early, those who remain are:

- newbies who end up wanting to stay in hi sec. Despicable or not, that's *their* choice and EvE would not be a sandbox game if there were forcible mechanics kicking them out. The most fair way to make them leave hi sec (as I proposed) would have been to not have hi sec to begin with. But we indeed have it, gotta adapt.

- "crafters", that is non belligerant industrial people whose playstyle comes from ancient MUDs and games where a guy's self created objective is to self create all his things he needs and eventually become a sort of merchant selling their wares to the other players. The dealing with the other players roleplaying a merchant is what makes them MMO players, they'd get horribly bored dumping stuff to NPCs in a single player game with no contract, no interaction nothing.
They are not "risk averse", in the sense that they don't even *imagine* hurting somebody or being hurt-

- traders and other people who need high activity zones like Jita. It's not really a choice of "sec" but a need to be where there is a lot of economy going.

- casual players who can't commit to any long / continued activity. Some times they used to live elsewhere then their RL turned for the worse / busier and now they still want to play EvE but can't be "hard core" any more.

- hi sec PvPers, with their unique characteristics.

- risk averse players who like sci-fi. This category could overlap with some of the above but in the end it's an unique kind of players. On paper, they should not even be in EvE, but the current sci-fi games "offer" is so limited, short lived and of low quality that they stick here anyway. One of their main attributes is their abundant numbers (which has an in game and RL CCP economy effect). Should CCP kick them out of EvE? That's CCP prerogative to judge and decide.
So far, indeed "CCP goes right along with them".

Actually, by saying the rewards for doing so are too great, when they are really just baseline gameplay, you are.

CCP never told us.

And who cares. Why does this move to null sec stuff keep popping up, why do people like yo cling to it like they do the "play style" crap.

No on (well, almost no one) really cares where anyone plays.

No offence but as far as I am concerned RL/time constraints is no excuse and should not be taken into account. Besides, EVE is harsh and that is all there is to it. If people don't like that then they are simply playing the wrong game, because that is one of EVE's trademarks to begin with. If industrialists want to have a more permanent presence in low/null then yes, they should bloody well have some firepower.

However, within this harsh reality there are still ways of evening out the playing field without sacrificing the PvP bloodthirst at the same time. Cause one of the problems EVE is having is that despite having firepower, it is rather meaningless if the other side can come with 10x as much - which has resulted in what people today call "blob warfare".

Coming in numbers is of course a valid and obvious tactic but it should also come with disadvantages. Being in small numbers should also have it's advantages. None of that exists today though.

And some of the said advantages that small numbers SHOULD have could also be projected on solo/small group industrialists - the main one being the ability to stay hidden and only be detected if someone puts a reasonable amount of time and effort into finding others.

Once again, Instant Information. This evil mantra will be repeated over and over and over again by me.