EVE General Discussion

Margin scams usually have the minimum number of items you can sell to them set at a high number. Thats the easiest way to spot them.

solution - if it looks too good to be true it probably is.

Firstly, thanks for your own useless $0.2

Secondly. You don't know a thing about how to work the market to your advantage. All you are asking for is for CCP to fix Lazy and Stupid people from being Lazy and Stupid; this is not something you can fix.

So don't be stupid and fall for it.

LOL I hope you dont manufacture aswell as you read please reread my post so you dont look like a complete idiot here whoops too late. As for your corp history and how elite you are I could give a F*^$. You could be the most powerful indy corp in the game but ask me if I care dont worry I dont. I love when people try to show up other players up by going to there corp history and stating look how long I have been here I am elite so dont make fun of me on the forums LMAO. Trust me I dont give a $hit about you but atleast you made yourself look like a fool by bragging about your corp history. Im trying to think of that word that describbes a person who is full of themselves what is that please someone.........thats right pompous.

I agree, I'd love to be able to have actual marketing of /my/ corporate products. TBH, I feel it should be a part of a full revamp of invention. Invention shouldn't be a craps shoot, if I have successfully invented something before, I should be able to reliably replicate my previous successes. The only time there should be a chance for failure with invention is if I try to change/improve my currently successful schema.

On Topic: Suck it up, Margin Trading is a part of Eve, you crying about it isn't going to change it. Either avoid the market with wholesaling via contracts or perpetrate the Margin Trading "scam" on others and profit from their stupidity.

You mean same way having RL credit card details as your nametag instead custom made name prevents trolling and doesn't lead to whole different can of worm called breach of privacy in EULA?

"Seriously", I find it tad insulting that you think people doing market operations to be "alts." By any definition I'm the person pulling most money out of the trio, if anything I have alts that I now and then run around lo-sec tossing cheap fit laser feroxes and other such shenigan to enemy fire. It's not that alt that makes it possible, it's me with my hard work bringing money in from harsh competitive environment that is 0.01 isk trading. Same can be said for most "market" persons running operations, by definition of who is the "generator" of the trio, it's the market character, he brings the bread and butter to the table while kids come to just eat from it. I've many times thought about shedding the two useless bastards but since CCP doesnt yet offer isk for character transfer, I've been unable to accomplish this, I do hope we will get plex for transfer soonish so I can show the two ungrateful bastards who's the true lord in the house.

But please, do enlighten us how you propose to solve this thing so nobody is able to have alt? Perhaps tie it down to one character per account and one account/ip? What about those connecting from campuses that usually share same IP? What about people proxying their connection to run second alt past this "totally secure IP locked alt thingymajingy?" Or perhaps make internal affairs II division to CCP, that hunts and checks through people's isk, contract and item transfers, cross checking them with RL IP information in addition traveling to player locations and taking DNA samples from various players in hopes to finding who pretends to be who?

I fell for one of these before I even knew about margin trading.

A contract with something I wanted, and some things I didn't, over priced but what the hell, there's a buy order up, so, I'll just sell the things I didn't want and i'll come out ok on the thing i did want.

click sell this item, buyer wants 10 units, hmmmmm well there are some on the market for sale, do the math, still not bad for the item I wanted, so, buy the 2 more I needed and click sell this item, ok... WTF?, no sale, buy order vanishes?

Petiton = Margin trading (and a short explanation) & working as intended, seller fined 10%, ect ect.

I STILL keep those 10 items in my hangar every day to remind me.

Now before I close with the "It happened, learn from it and move on" comment, the same basic thing can happen in real life trading, you weren't the first and you won't be the last.

So with as much compassion and understanding as I can possibly give you and I DO feel for you, "It happened, learn from it and move on".

o/
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Simple Solution:

Replace "Margin Trading" with "Layaway."

Allows buyer to purchase things without all ISK, blah blah blah. However, items purchased in this way go into reserve and cannot be pickup up by the buyer until the item has been paid in full. Items can remain in reserve for up to seven days. If not paid for in time then the item is returned to the original owner and the purchaser's ISK is refunded minus a 10% handling fee paid to the seller.

Not really, no, since there is no exploit.

The margin-trade scam relies in the victim not taking care to learn the proper market value of the goods the scammer is trying make him buy. The solution to this is for the victim to take care to learn the proper market value of the goods he wants to invest in. If it's a rare enough item, set up your own trade to ensure it's legit.

The vast majority of margin-trade scams are eye-poppingly obvious. The rest are cases where the scammer has put some effort in to really hide his tracks, in which case he has deserved any catch he pulls off.