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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-12-21 09:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Elrich Kouvo
Keep the types coming folks. Would like to see if we could get all sixteen types represented. Take the test and post your results.
sites: http://www.ipersonic.com/ or http://16typequiz.com/quiz.html
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-12-21 09:22:01 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Depends on how deep you go into the details and on the accuracy you expect. Not all of it is hogwash.


It's still not science. You can apply concepts and inspirations from the scientific method, but that doesn't make it science, and your conclusions shouldn't carry the authority that science does.

Now, if you want to suggest that there are advanced and fruitful non-scientific methods to studying human behaviour, some of which appropriately borrow elements of science, then I agree. Personally, I would not rank this survey psychology or sociology hogwash as one of them.


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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-12-21 09:24:17 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Depends on how deep you go into the details and on the accuracy you expect. Not all of it is hogwash.


It's still not science. You can apply concepts and inspirations from the scientific method, but that doesn't make it science, and your conclusions shouldn't carry the authority that science does.

Now, if you want to suggest that there are advanced and fruitful non-scientific methods to studying human behaviour, some of which appropriately borrow elements of science, then I agree. Personally, I would not rank this survey psychology or sociology hogwash as one of them.



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Like I said... Behavioral Science.
Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#44 - 2012-12-21 09:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayson Kassis
Varius Xeral wrote:
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Nice... knowledge doesn't remove your soul. It only enhances it.


Platitudes about "souls" aside, how exactly is a clunky and meaningless artificial classificatory system "knowledge" in the grander sense? What if I sorted all of my possessions into piles based on some idiosyncratic values assigned to each? Would I necessarily be gaining some greater insight into their nature?

Just because something is elaborate or seemingly complex does not inherently make it worth knowing.


It's obvious you don't want to be labeled. It's unfortunate you were introduced to the MBTI based on the OP's link and so I can't really blame you for labeling this as artificial or meaningless. It does have scientific relevance and if you do your research with an open mind you may see some value to it. And if not, that's fine also.

Know that the MBTI is not a code to live by but only a tool to help you understand yourself a little better. None of the information is 100% valid to every individual but it is very accurate when trying to assess how different individuals think and operate. For example. psychologists would use this indicator to help identify people better.

I have come across people like yourself who prefer to live in the here and now and see no value in trying to label one another. Put down your ego, open your mind and try the test. Try this one MBTI Test. Get your type and google your 4 letter answer. The test is a little outdated but accurate. Bring it back here so we can all say, "HEY THATS YOU!"
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#45 - 2012-12-21 09:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lovely Dumplings
This test is based on the MBTI. MBTI results have been shown to change, simply by having someone take the test with an open window, another person in the room, et al. It's based on a flawed Jungian psychology principal, so, it's really no more accurate regarding your personality than, say, astrology.

http://www.indiana.edu/~jobtalk/HRMWebsite/hrm/articles/develop/mbti.pdf is a good read on the failings of the MBTI.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-12-21 09:32:35 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Know that the MBTI is not a code to live by but only a tool to help you understand yourself a little better.


How does simplifying myself into an arbitrary classification help me understand myself better?

Why not boil everyone down into 32 groups? Wny not 8?

Also, less words and more substance please.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-12-21 09:36:41 UTC
Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-12-21 09:42:11 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Know that the MBTI is not a code to live by but only a tool to help you understand yourself a little better.


How does simplifying myself into an arbitrary classification help me understand myself better?

Why not boil everyone down into 32 groups? Wny not 8?

Also, less words and more substance please.

Simplifying yourself? You mean you don't think? you don't feel? You don't have preferences for extroversion v. introversion? Remember this is here to help one determine preferences not define who they are. We aren't talking morals and ethics and other influences. I don't know why not 8 or 32. I just want to see some results because its fun. Keep taking the test and posting results folks. Its nice to see the diversity of EVE Online.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-12-21 09:45:48 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
Simplifying yourself? You mean you don't think? you don't feel? You don't have preferences for extroversion v. introversion?


What do I gain from trying to box the totality of my thoughts. feelings, and preferences into one out of an arbitrary number of classifications?

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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-12-21 09:47:14 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
Simplifying yourself? You mean you don't think? you don't feel? You don't have preferences for extroversion v. introversion?


What do I gain from trying to box the totality of my thoughts. feelings, and preferences into one out of an arbitrary number of classifications?

A cookie and a free high five!
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-12-21 09:48:34 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
A cookie and a free high five!


Then we're back to the entire thing being a joke and worth a laugh, which is fine by me.

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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#52 - 2012-12-21 09:54:11 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Know that the MBTI is not a code to live by but only a tool to help you understand yourself a little better.


How does simplifying myself into an arbitrary classification help me understand myself better?

Why not boil everyone down into 32 groups? Wny not 8?

Also, less words and more substance please.


You obviously have no ability to think in an abstract sense and so if you don't see scientific relevance or numbers that calculate the total, you are going to call it hogwash. I don't know how to reason with the unreasonable. Take the test or stop wasting my time. Prove me wrong!
Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#53 - 2012-12-21 09:55:50 UTC
The Dreamy Idealist

Dreamy Idealists like you are very cautious and therefore often appear shy and reserved to others. You share your rich emotional life and your passionate convictions with very few people. But one would be very much mistaken to judge you to be cool and reserved. You have a pronounced inner system of values and clear, honourable principles for which you are willing to sacrifice a great deal. Joan of Arc or Sir Galahad would have been good examples of your personality type. Dreamy Idealists are always at great pains to improve the world. You can be very considerate towards others and do a lot to support them and stand up for them. You are interested in your fellow beings, attentive and generous towards them. Once your enthusiasm for an issue or person is aroused, you can become a tireless fighter.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#54 - 2012-12-21 09:59:27 UTC
INTJ here.

For gamers you got bartles test:
http://www.gamerdna.com/quizzes/bartle-test-of-gamer-psychology

~Bringer of happiness

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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#55 - 2012-12-21 10:00:25 UTC
Xuse Senna wrote:
The Dreamy Idealist

Dreamy Idealists like you are very cautious and therefore often appear shy and reserved to others. You share your rich emotional life and your passionate convictions with very few people. But one would be very much mistaken to judge you to be cool and reserved. You have a pronounced inner system of values and clear, honourable principles for which you are willing to sacrifice a great deal. Joan of Arc or Sir Galahad would have been good examples of your personality type. Dreamy Idealists are always at great pains to improve the world. You can be very considerate towards others and do a lot to support them and stand up for them. You are interested in your fellow beings, attentive and generous towards them. Once your enthusiasm for an issue or person is aroused, you can become a tireless fighter.


INFP - Does this resemble you?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-12-21 10:02:17 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
You obviously have no ability to think in an abstract sense and so if you don't see scientific relevance or numbers that calculate the total, you are going to call it hogwash. I don't know how to reason with the unreasonable. Take the test or stop wasting my time. Prove me wrong!


I'm sorry, do you really consider this a valid response? You are asserting that there is some appropriateness to:

a) a general typology of human behaviour
b) this specific typological set

Your only support for this assertion is "take the test and you'll see!". I'm questioning the fundamental validity of a practice, and your only defence is to suggest that I should undertake it.

It is irrelevant to the validity of my argument, but since I'm lowballing with you here: I have taken it before, and I was not convinced then and am still not convinced now. In fact, I'm not exactly sure what I am supposed to be convinced of. All I get is a deceptively comfortable false sense of order, similar to what people get from believing in bible stories.

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Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#57 - 2012-12-21 10:07:35 UTC
The Pretentious Douche

i dont think thats good Sad
Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#58 - 2012-12-21 10:08:36 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Xuse Senna wrote:
The Dreamy Idealist

Dreamy Idealists like you are very cautious and therefore often appear shy and reserved to others. You share your rich emotional life and your passionate convictions with very few people. But one would be very much mistaken to judge you to be cool and reserved. You have a pronounced inner system of values and clear, honourable principles for which you are willing to sacrifice a great deal. Joan of Arc or Sir Galahad would have been good examples of your personality type. Dreamy Idealists are always at great pains to improve the world. You can be very considerate towards others and do a lot to support them and stand up for them. You are interested in your fellow beings, attentive and generous towards them. Once your enthusiasm for an issue or person is aroused, you can become a tireless fighter.


INFP - Does this resemble you?


I don't agree whatsoever... I ain't shy, I'm an Anti-Social ******** Blink

honourable? LOL


tireless fighter. Maybe Twisted

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#59 - 2012-12-21 11:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
Had a friend take a personality test and was curious what kind of personalities EVE Online attracts. There are sixteen MBTI types which are sometimes used to help people decide which careers and college majors might suit their preferences. Perhaps it could help players decide their roles in corps. Post your type after taking the test here: www.ipersonic.com. or here: http://16typequiz.com/quiz.html


I point out at how this topic has been covered already with similar tests here.
I suggest people to take the tests in there, they seem fairly in depth.


Edit: I just tried the suggested 16typequiz.com test and while it gives me the same result, it's vastly worse than the tests I linked.
IE the questions are "gameable" in a way too clear way, i.e. in a question it asks you if you feel drained dealing with others and shortly after it asks you if you feel energized dealing with others.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-12-21 11:46:45 UTC
The Grid on the Ocean

Corporate PR, HR and Marketing zombies squeeze themselves into paid positions by building a wall of jargon between an employer and potential recruits. Command of said jargon defends newly created astrology from outsiders unless they pay intermediaries. Language in general is fragmented into jargons and impoverished. An artist and an architect can no longer meaninfully converse.
Romans in the time of Juvenal attached significance to things they thought meaningful, while Attic Greeks thought things happened in order to reveal a hidden meaning. The fact that last sentence means almost nothing is an indictment of your modern technical training that passes itself off as education.





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