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[proposal] Insurance change
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Nurdra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-17 13:09:03 UTC
I think the insurance system is a good thing, but need some change for ganker.

I think if you get popped by concord, you should NOT receive any insurance. I can't drive my car with 200km/h in some other guys car I hate and then get a new car from my insurance ;)

The problem is easy, ganking is to cheap. There are lot of ships that cant fit enought tank to survive a single gank ship (brutix or disco bs). Highsec should be "secure" space, but if you fly a t1 hauler or a mining ship you are never safe.
Highsec ganking is of corse a part of this game and should never be removed or changed that it's impossible, if someone is too stuped and transport 10b of flex in a t1 frig, he deserve to die :P

But it should not be possible to gank a 200m mining ship, with a single t1 ship and make nealy no losses because insurance pays you ship. If insurance stop paying gankers, ganking will be more expensive and the ballance would be much better. You still can make much isk if you gank a weak ship with billion of isk in it.

But new players whould be able to transport cargo of 100m in a t1 hauler and dont get ganket because the ganker will make huge profit of this.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-17 22:14:37 UTC
[quote=Nurdra, if someone is too stuped and transport 10b of flex in a t1 frig, he deserve to die :P

.[/quote]


I am keen to loot someones flex when they drop it please.

On a serious note, while NO WHERE is secure space, any lossmail that has concord on it should not pay out insurance at all, not even the uninsured amount you get. There is nothing wrong with ganking and hoping to get expensive loot but it should be at the risk of heavy losses.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-17 23:20:55 UTC
I've always said that any criminal act should result in voiding of insurance.

But I stop there...no more no less.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-17 23:41:28 UTC
Nurdra wrote:
I think the insurance system is a good thing, but need some change for ganker.

I think if you get popped by concord, you should NOT receive any insurance. I can't drive my car with 200km/h in some other guys car I hate and then get a new car from my insurance ;)

The problem is easy, ganking is to cheap. There are lot of ships that cant fit enought tank to survive a single gank ship (brutix or disco bs). Highsec should be "secure" space, but if you fly a t1 hauler or a mining ship you are never safe.
Highsec ganking is of corse a part of this game and should never be removed or changed that it's impossible, if someone is too stuped and transport 10b of flex in a t1 frig, he deserve to die :P

But it should not be possible to gank a 200m mining ship, with a single t1 ship and make nealy no losses because insurance pays you ship. If insurance stop paying gankers, ganking will be more expensive and the ballance would be much better. You still can make much isk if you gank a weak ship with billion of isk in it.

But new players whould be able to transport cargo of 100m in a t1 hauler and dont get ganket because the ganker will make huge profit of this.



or EASIER solution that wont take up dev's time:

1) stop flying uninsured ships yourself
2) stop flying ships you can't easily repalce
3) stop flying ships with no tank
4) stop going afk outside of the station
5) stop waiting for an enemy to ATTACK you ebfore you warp out, honestly the second someone in a cheap combat ship appears on grid and starst MOVING TOWARDS YOU

and big one here:
6) stop flying mining ships by yourself, you wanna mine? get in a mining corp, because solo mining is the elast profitable thing in this game, at elast in a group with boosts you can somewhat increase the isk/minute.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#5 - 2011-10-18 02:39:02 UTC
You obviously weren't around for the last insurance change...

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z Flint
z Mining Corp
#6 - 2011-10-19 16:12:37 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
I've always said that any criminal act should result in voiding of insurance.

But I stop there...no more no less.




I agree.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-19 16:17:40 UTC
This is a new and entirely unique idea! I support this!

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Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#8 - 2011-10-19 17:43:32 UTC
I agree; ships destroyed with the help of Concord should not receive any insurance benefit whatsoever. They should also not get a free reaper when they dock.

+1 to this idea.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-23 17:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
System ate my post, please delete.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-23 17:46:15 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Nurdra wrote:
I think the insurance system is a good thing, but need some change for ganker.

I think if you get popped by concord, you should NOT receive any insurance. I can't drive my car with 200km/h in some other guys car I hate and then get a new car from my insurance ;)

The problem is easy, ganking is to cheap. There are lot of ships that cant fit enought tank to survive a single gank ship (brutix or disco bs). Highsec should be "secure" space, but if you fly a t1 hauler or a mining ship you are never safe.
Highsec ganking is of corse a part of this game and should never be removed or changed that it's impossible, if someone is too stuped and transport 10b of flex in a t1 frig, he deserve to die :P

But it should not be possible to gank a 200m mining ship, with a single t1 ship and make nealy no losses because insurance pays you ship. If insurance stop paying gankers, ganking will be more expensive and the ballance would be much better. You still can make much isk if you gank a weak ship with billion of isk in it.

But new players whould be able to transport cargo of 100m in a t1 hauler and dont get ganket because the ganker will make huge profit of this.



or EASIER solution that wont take up dev's time:

1) stop flying uninsured ships yourself

Insurance isn't going to help a hauler pilot.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

2) stop flying ships you can't easily repalce

Again, insurance doesn't help here, and the problem with T1 haulers isn't the ship, it's the cargo.
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

3) stop flying ships with no tank

The only tanky haulers out there are Deep Space Transports and Orcas. Both have quite large vulnerability windows on gates and undocks due to their long align times; at least the Orca's CHA doesn't drop its contents when the ship pops, making it a semi-viable option, albeit one that takes a while to train for. Blockade Runners, despite their covops cloak and fast align time, have trouble when they land short on stations and get decloaked by the station, rendering them surprisingly vulnerable to a waiting gank fleet (PL lost a 6+BILLION isk Viator in Jita this way).
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

4) stop going afk outside of the station
5) stop waiting for an enemy to ATTACK you ebfore you warp out, honestly the second someone in a cheap combat ship appears on grid and starst MOVING TOWARDS YOU

and big one here:
6) stop flying mining ships by yourself, you wanna mine? get in a mining corp, because solo mining is the elast profitable thing in this game, at elast in a group with boosts you can somewhat increase the isk/minute.

I'll leave points 4,5, and 6 for others to answer, with one exception: that fast-locking alpha ships (within a few seconds) can gain an unexpected edge, because even if you click warp as soon as they land on grid, there's a good chance they'll simply pop you while you're still aligning out to warp, and instawarps out of belts aren't practical given the requirements of mining one.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2011-10-23 17:55:40 UTC
Hmm, yes insurance should be removed for criminal activity.

Then again, it should also be removed for:
dying in a warzone
self destructing


It should also:
have increased rates the more you lose ships
have a ridiculous 30 page contract that you must sign and follow to the letter or risk voidance of insurance
have an actual budget instead of infinite isk
force you to pay to get anything (ie no free 40%)

You want all that too?
Gheng Kondur
Serva Fidem
#12 - 2011-10-23 19:16:00 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Hmm, yes insurance should be removed for criminal activity.

Then again, it should also be removed for:
dying in a warzone
self destructing


It should also:
have increased rates the more you lose ships
have a ridiculous 30 page contract that you must sign and follow to the letter or risk voidance of insurance
have an actual budget instead of infinite isk
force you to pay to get anything (ie no free 40%)

You want all that too?




Yes
Goose99
#13 - 2011-10-23 21:00:42 UTC
Gheng Kondur wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Hmm, yes insurance should be removed for criminal activity.

Then again, it should also be removed for:
dying in a warzone
self destructing


It should also:
have increased rates the more you lose ships
have a ridiculous 30 page contract that you must sign and follow to the letter or risk voidance of insurance
have an actual budget instead of infinite isk
force you to pay to get anything (ie no free 40%)

You want all that too?




Yes


^this

Supported +1
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-24 03:00:22 UTC
Should be no insurance payouts for any ships. We should all be friendly peeps and not shoot the crap out of each other so that one frigate you buy will last a lifetime..... Twisted

Seriously, I like this one. +1

*Fake Edit*

Why don't we have troll quotes yet??