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Talos needs to be nerfed. Long live the Vagabond!

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Smabs
Perkone
Caldari State
#241 - 2012-12-20 12:43:31 UTC
Quote:
That's really funny, because the "standard" 3 Gyro Vaga-cane with 425s/Barrage does significantly less DPS than the 100mn Talos does. All things (links/implants) equal, the Vaga-cane is slower, has approximately the same agility*, and has a much larger sig radius.


It's really amazing and I'm totally surprised that everyone isn't flying a 100mn talos. I mean how long will it be til everyone catches on?
Larloch TheAncient
Freindly Mining Corporation
#242 - 2012-12-20 15:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Larloch TheAncient
Want to fix the Vagabond and "Most" other hacs in 1 easy to implement fix?





Give them a role bonus toward they're "niche" for instance the Vagabond could get a mwd reduction bonus similar to all AF's.




Making kiting 50% more effective





And on a side note we have anti ECM skills now, can we get sig reduction skills next? :)


We already have plenty of armor and shield skills, We need to control the sig!!!!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#243 - 2012-12-20 17:40:08 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Quote:
That's really funny, because the "standard" 3 Gyro Vaga-cane with 425s/Barrage does significantly less DPS than the 100mn Talos does. All things (links/implants) equal, the Vaga-cane is slower, has approximately the same agility*, and has a much larger sig radius.


It's really amazing and I'm totally surprised that everyone isn't flying a 100mn talos. I mean how long will it be til everyone catches on?


It requires people to actually pilot their ships. That's kinda a problem.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Hostile Intervention
#244 - 2012-12-20 22:23:34 UTC
Or you could.... you know. Stop being terrible at piloting a vaga. Shocked


Evanga
The Congregation
420 MLG TWINTURBO 3000 EMPIRE ALLIANCE RELOADED
#245 - 2012-12-20 22:50:30 UTC
Smabs
Perkone
Caldari State
#246 - 2012-12-21 06:39:08 UTC
Quote:
It requires people to actually pilot their ships. That's kinda a problem.


You would think that people would try the incredible 100mn talos and die with it, rather than not using it at all?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#247 - 2012-12-21 07:02:14 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Quote:
It requires people to actually pilot their ships. That's kinda a problem.


You would think that people would try the incredible 100mn talos and die with it, rather than not using it at all?


I think the 100mn fit is a mitigation/avoidance tank and is thus very powerful in the right hands. However, it requires skill to use and a lot of people are more comfortable betting on having "800 DPS and 30k EHP" and calling it a day. Their choice isn't necessarily wrong, but that doesn't mean mine is either. ;-)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Smabs
Perkone
Caldari State
#248 - 2012-12-21 07:04:57 UTC
Does anyone else actually use that kind of talos at all?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#249 - 2012-12-21 07:09:41 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Does anyone else actually use that kind of talos at all?


Yes

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Smabs
Perkone
Caldari State
#250 - 2012-12-21 07:18:33 UTC
Oh okay, outside of amamake? I'd be happy to be proved wrong if people were actually roaming around killing stuff with them. That's without having stupidly expensive implants and outside of camping 1 single system.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#251 - 2012-12-21 08:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Smabs wrote:
Oh okay, outside of amamake? I'd be happy to be proved wrong if people were actually roaming around killing stuff with them. That's without having stupidly expensive implants and outside of camping 1 single system.


Still, yes.

Ed: Look, I know that literally nothing will ever actually make you happy with the fit. You feel like talking **** about it. Gooooo ahead. Enjoy. I've got better **** to do than argue with idiots.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Smabs
Perkone
Caldari State
#252 - 2012-12-21 09:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Smabs
So who uses it outside of amamake? Admittedly I've taken a break from the game but I really haven't seen any 100mn ab talos'.

The condor fit is kinda cool by the way.
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#253 - 2012-12-21 09:17:46 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Smabs wrote:
Oh okay, outside of amamake? I'd be happy to be proved wrong if people were actually roaming around killing stuff with them. That's without having stupidly expensive implants and outside of camping 1 single system.


Still, yes.

Ed: Look, I know that literally nothing will ever actually make you happy with the fit. You feel like talking **** about it. Gooooo ahead. Enjoy. I've got better **** to do than argue with idiots.


> argues for ten pages over a period of a week about the same thing
> says has got better things to do than argue with idiots
> is Liang Nuren
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#254 - 2012-12-21 09:20:29 UTC
Cartheron Crust wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Smabs wrote:
Oh okay, outside of amamake? I'd be happy to be proved wrong if people were actually roaming around killing stuff with them. That's without having stupidly expensive implants and outside of camping 1 single system.


Still, yes.

Ed: Look, I know that literally nothing will ever actually make you happy with the fit. You feel like talking **** about it. Gooooo ahead. Enjoy. I've got better **** to do than argue with idiots.


> argues for ten pages over a period of a week about the same thing
> says has got better things to do than argue with idiots
> is Liang Nuren


I started a new project at work. I literally don't have the time anymore.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Smabs
Perkone
Caldari State
#255 - 2012-12-21 09:23:03 UTC
Oh well case closed it was a good thread.
deepos
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2012-12-21 17:04:35 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Cartheron Crust wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Smabs wrote:
Oh okay, outside of amamake? I'd be happy to be proved wrong if people were actually roaming around killing stuff with them. That's without having stupidly expensive implants and outside of camping 1 single system.


Still, yes.

Ed: Look, I know that literally nothing will ever actually make you happy with the fit. You feel like talking **** about it. Gooooo ahead. Enjoy. I've got better **** to do than argue with idiots.


> argues for ten pages over a period of a week about the same thing
> says has got better things to do than argue with idiots
> is Liang Nuren


I started a new project at work. I literally don't have the time anymore.

-Liang


That's a shame, I enjoy reading your insightful and/or troll posts, and I'm sure I'm not alone,

You'll be back soon, you're way too addicted to those forums,
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#257 - 2012-12-21 18:57:58 UTC
deepos wrote:

That's a shame, I enjoy reading your insightful and/or troll posts, and I'm sure I'm not alone,

You'll be back soon, you're way too addicted to those forums,


You obviously didn't look at my previous forum posting history. It's been, what, 6 months since I was what I'd consider to be active on these forums? Anyway, I'm sure I'll be around - I just don't have time to argue about pointless ****.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.