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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#21 - 2012-12-21 07:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayson Kassis
I see the website uses the MBTI scale to measure personalities but what I don't like is the new nick names and not being able to see the proper letters associated with your personality type. That tells me the website is trying to get money out of people when all you really have to do is google MBTI test, get your type and find endless resources related to your type.

MBTI is a fantastic way to measure peoples personalities. I am an INFJ. Not sure what that is on the above link.

Also, I have a feeling that 90% of eve players are introverts.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-12-21 07:35:26 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Same principle applies to both, plus any "cold reading"-related activity.
Throw enough generic pleasantries in, and people tend to focus on those that are "close enough" and ignore the "not really" ones.
Read any of the detailed descriptions WITHOUT reading the title. You will find that whichever one you read will resonate to some degree with you.


Precisely.

You'd think all these incredible Analytical Thinkers, Deep Philosophers, Powerful Insightfulness Duders, etc would be able to see the scam...how incredibly ironic.

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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-12-21 07:36:01 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Zheketri wrote:
However, the resulting profile seems close enough. The same could be said of Horoscopes at times though, too.

Same principle applies to both, plus any "cold reading"-related activity.
Throw enough generic pleasantries in, and people tend to focus on those that are "close enough" and ignore the "not really" ones.
Read any of the detailed descriptions WITHOUT reading the title. You will find that whichever one you read will resonate to some degree with you.

Of course it will. Everyone can think, but some people "prefer" not to. Everyone can be extroverted, but some prefer not to. This test is not about if you have abilities it is about your preferences.
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-21 07:37:36 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
Zheketri wrote:
The Analytical Thinker


"Analytical Thinkers like you are reserved, quiet persons. You like to get to the bottom of things - curiosity is one of your strongest motives. You want to know what holds the world together deep down inside. You do not really need much more to be happy because you are a modest person. Many mathematicians, philosophers and scientists belong to your type. Analytical Thinkers loathe contradictions and illogicalness; with your sharp intellect, you quickly and comprehensively grasp patterns, principles and structures. You are particularly interested in the fundamental nature of things and theoretical findings; for you, it is not necessarily a question of translating these into practical acts or in sharing your considerations with others. Analytical Thinkers like to work alone; your ability to concentrate is more marked than that of all other personality types. You are open for and interested in new information."


Illogicalness?

The first two sets of selections I had to choose from definitely were difficult to choose between, so I'm inclined to be suspicious of the final result. However, the resulting profile seems close enough. The same could be said of Horoscopes at times though, too.

MBTI is around 75% accurate although folks will have differing degrees of these preferences. Few are 100% either way.


How do they detemine this 75% accuracy?

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-12-21 07:37:49 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
MBTI is around 75% accurate although folks will have differing degrees of these preferences. Few are 100% either way.


Measured on the "personality test accuracy scale"?

Get a grip, man. This is pseudo-science pop-psychology at its worst.

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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-12-21 07:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Elrich Kouvo
Zheketri wrote:
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
Zheketri wrote:
The Analytical Thinker


"Analytical Thinkers like you are reserved, quiet persons. You like to get to the bottom of things - curiosity is one of your strongest motives. You want to know what holds the world together deep down inside. You do not really need much more to be happy because you are a modest person. Many mathematicians, philosophers and scientists belong to your type. Analytical Thinkers loathe contradictions and illogicalness; with your sharp intellect, you quickly and comprehensively grasp patterns, principles and structures. You are particularly interested in the fundamental nature of things and theoretical findings; for you, it is not necessarily a question of translating these into practical acts or in sharing your considerations with others. Analytical Thinkers like to work alone; your ability to concentrate is more marked than that of all other personality types. You are open for and interested in new information."


Illogicalness?

The first two sets of selections I had to choose from definitely were difficult to choose between, so I'm inclined to be suspicious of the final result. However, the resulting profile seems close enough. The same could be said of Horoscopes at times though, too.

MBTI is around 75% accurate although folks will have differing degrees of these preferences. Few are 100% either way.


How do they determine this 75% accuracy?

But you know since you want to know how this thing works gives proof that you are indeed an analytical thinker... And its okay to be skeptical, its part of the "Thinker" personality type

http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#27 - 2012-12-21 07:45:11 UTC
Going by the more detailed thingy, I'm pretty much as good as tied in the intro/extro-vertism and judge/perceive departments with a slight preference for intuition over sensation (60-40), and the only marginally clear distinction is thinking over feeling (70-30).
That means that if this would not be a wishy-washy thing, then:
- 4 of the 16 classic combos allegedly fit me very closely (INTJ, INTP, ENTJ, ENTP),
- 4 more fit reasonably well (ISTJ, ISTP, ESTJ, ESTP),
- 4 more fit to a small degree, and only 4 don't really fit that much, but are not completely off either

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-12-21 07:49:31 UTC
Where do I send the cheque so I can get my thetans removed?

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#29 - 2012-12-21 07:52:13 UTC
From now on, you may address me as "Captain Average" :)

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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#30 - 2012-12-21 07:52:20 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Where do I send the cheque so I can get my thetans removed?


Nice... knowledge doesn't remove your soul. It only enhances it.
Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-12-21 07:53:19 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Going by the more detailed thingy, I'm pretty much as good as tied in the intro/extro-vertism and judge/perceive departments with a slight preference for intuition over sensation (60-40), and the only marginally clear distinction is thinking over feeling (70-30).
That means that if this would not be a wishy-washy thing, then:
- 4 of the 16 classic combos allegedly fit me very closely (INTJ, INTP, ENTJ, ENTP),
- 4 more fit reasonably well (ISTJ, ISTP, ESTJ, ESTP),
- 4 more fit to a small degree, and only 4 don't really fit that much, but are not completely off either

Awesome. You are Mature for your personality. WE know for a fact you are not very feeling so you probably don't have much tolerance for emotions. The Introversion v. Extroversion has to be a preferred answer and not as you are currently living/working. For example, there are many people who have lots of small acquaintances because of their culture, work, religion, city, but they might find that draining. The person who would rather not have all those acquaintances is an introvert even though they are acting like an extrovert.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#32 - 2012-12-21 08:08:16 UTC
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
WE know for a fact you are not very feeling so you probably don't have much tolerance for emotions. The Introversion v. Extroversion has to be a preferred answer and not as you are currently living/working. For example, there are many people who have lots of small acquaintances because of their culture, work, religion, city, but they might find that draining. The person who would rather not have all those acquaintances is an introvert even though they are acting like an extrovert.

The online persona is not necessarily identical to the real-life persona, and my wife would strongly disagree with that "tolerance for emotions" comment :)

I flip between introversion and extroversion based on mood and other factors.
Some days I actually do prefer to be surrounded by as many friends and acquaintances as possible, other times I wish to be alone in the room (even without the wife) and just do my own things without any disturbances.
I handle social interactions with loads of people at the same time easily, without feeling exhausted at all, but actually refreshed, whereas other times even a single person can make me wish to go on a "kill all humans" spree.
I have no problem expressing some of my traditionally sensitive life details with anybody within earshot (to the point where the wife keeps admonishing me about it), while I prefer to not speak of some traditionally "no big deal" things with anybody at all.
I am pretty much as close as possible in between introvert and extrovert as anybody can be, just not consistently in time, sometimes not even within the same day.

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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#33 - 2012-12-21 08:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayson Kassis
Akita T wrote:
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
WE know for a fact you are not very feeling so you probably don't have much tolerance for emotions. The Introversion v. Extroversion has to be a preferred answer and not as you are currently living/working. For example, there are many people who have lots of small acquaintances because of their culture, work, religion, city, but they might find that draining. The person who would rather not have all those acquaintances is an introvert even though they are acting like an extrovert.

The online persona is not necessarily identical to the real-life persona, and my wife would strongly disagree with that "tolerance for emotions" comment :)

I flip between introversion and extroversion based on mood and other factors.
Some days I actually do prefer to be surrounded by as many friends and acquaintances as possible, other times I wish to be alone in the room (even without the wife) and just do my own things without any disturbances.
I handle social interactions with loads of people at the same time easily, without feeling exhausted at all, but actually refreshed, whereas other times even a single person can make me wish to go on a "kill all humans" spree.
I have no problem expressing some of my traditionally sensitive life details with anybody within earshot (to the point where the wife keeps admonishing me about it), while I prefer to not speak of some traditionally "no big deal" things with anybody at all.
I am pretty much as close as possible in between introvert and extrovert as anybody can be, just not consistently in time, sometimes not even within the same day.


You're an ambivert. That's the best of both worlds.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-12-21 08:21:53 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Nice... knowledge doesn't remove your soul. It only enhances it.


Platitudes about "souls" aside, how exactly is a clunky and meaningless artificial classificatory system "knowledge" in the grander sense? What if I sorted all of my possessions into piles based on some idiosyncratic values assigned to each? Would I necessarily be gaining some greater insight into their nature?

Just because something is elaborate or seemingly complex does not inherently make it worth knowing.

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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-12-21 08:27:11 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Nice... knowledge doesn't remove your soul. It only enhances it.


Platitudes about "souls" aside, how exactly is a clunky and meaningless artificial classificatory system "knowledge" in the grander sense? What if I sorted all of my possessions into piles based on some idiosyncratic values assigned to each? Would I necessarily be gaining some greater insight into their nature?

Just because something is elaborate or seemingly complex does not inherently make it worth knowing.

Relax and have some fun. Its just a preference nothing more. I will guess you are perhaps an ESTJ? Take the second more detailed test and tell me if I'm right.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-12-21 08:30:43 UTC
Ok, so now we are in agreement that it is a joke.

Then fine. Carry on.

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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-12-21 08:40:05 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Ok, so now we are in agreement that it is a joke.

Then fine. Carry on.

If you find preferences funny...okay. I like the study. I think it goes a long way to determine how people interact with each other in a deep MMO such as EVE. I think preferences answer some questions about why certain players partake of some parts of EVE and others don't. This isn't hard science like chemistry it is behavioral science. A person's personality can change over time.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-12-21 08:49:51 UTC
It's not a science at all.

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Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-12-21 09:03:12 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
It's not a science at all.


Varius. Whats the matter man? The test serves its purpose of determining people's preferences. It is something used by behavior science communities to identify preferences. Example: If you prefer to plan most things then you are demonstrating your preference for thinking. That is all this is. I could see that making a huge difference in EVE online player styles.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#40 - 2012-12-21 09:03:24 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
It's not a science at all.

Depends on how deep you go into the details and on the accuracy you expect. Not all of it is hogwash.

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