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Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#21 - 2012-12-19 13:33:16 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Sure, if your refining skills suck, it's better to sell ore. Once you've got perfect refine then it's better to refine and sell minerals

Yes, it can be assumed in the new players Q&A forum, that most players don't have perfect or even near-perfect refine skills.
IOI-655321
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-12-20 01:14:45 UTC
G01kur Kisel wrote:
Some skills that are useful bumping to at 5 are
Electronics
Engineering

Dont forget the equipment for your ship aswell.

These are my recommendations from a anti ganking perspective.

From low slot to high slot to rigs

Venture
Mining laser upgrade II
Medium shield extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith shield induction
Adaptive invulnerability field II
Miner II
Miner II
small core defense field extender i
small core defense field extender i
small processor overclocking unit I





This is most helpful. Thank you!



J'Poll wrote:
Besina Echerie wrote:
Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.


HAHAHAHA

And you think that corp taxes are applied to miners.

Do your homework...

Corp taxes are applied to:

* Mission rewards
* Mission bonus rewards
* Bounty prices you get from killing NPC rats.

NOT on mining amounts
NOT on selling stuff on market (those are NPC taxes which can be lowered through skills and standings).


You misunderstood the point, and then you mocked a person who was only being helpful. I hope you learned your lesson.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-20 18:09:42 UTC
IOI-655321 wrote:
Besina Echerie wrote:
Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.


I appreciate the insight. To be honest, I play FPS games for excitement, but when I am feeling lazy, I like the idea of doing something boring... just floating around space collecting resources and selling them... while listening to an audiobook. That's why I was drawn to EVE. I'm open to suggestions though, as I'm still not entirely sure what my options are. I felt that mining would be a good place to start for a noob.




I like to play World of Tanks on another screen while I mine dont listen to the PVP goofballs mining is a supplemental income while we play other games.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-20 18:19:14 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
IOI-655321 wrote:
Besina Echerie wrote:
Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.


I appreciate the insight. To be honest, I play FPS games for excitement, but when I am feeling lazy, I like the idea of doing something boring... just floating around space collecting resources and selling them... while listening to an audiobook. That's why I was drawn to EVE. I'm open to suggestions though, as I'm still not entirely sure what my options are. I felt that mining would be a good place to start for a noob.




I like to play World of Tanks on another screen while I mine dont listen to the PVP goofballs mining is a supplemental income while we play other games.


+1

I love how everybody always complains on people mining

Yet they forget that those miners are the ones that produce all the stuff they buy from the market.

No miners, no production.
No production, no supply
No supply, prices will sky rocket and PvP guys will whine how stuff is expensive.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-20 18:21:59 UTC
IOI-655321 wrote:
G01kur Kisel wrote:
Some skills that are useful bumping to at 5 are
Electronics
Engineering

Dont forget the equipment for your ship aswell.

These are my recommendations from a anti ganking perspective.

From low slot to high slot to rigs

Venture
Mining laser upgrade II
Medium shield extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith shield induction
Adaptive invulnerability field II
Miner II
Miner II
small core defense field extender i
small core defense field extender i
small processor overclocking unit I





This is most helpful. Thank you!



J'Poll wrote:
Besina Echerie wrote:
Friends don't let friends fly mining barges.

Have you tried mining? Would you keep mining even at a 100% tax rate just because it's fun?

Why do I ask this? It's because mining is the most rock-bottom poor income activity you can do in EVE. Mining is the fast food job of EVE. When you're in high school you feel like the big man on campus because you can buy your own video games... then all your friends become investment bankers, lawyers, doctors, and jet pilots, and you're still putting on a funny hat every day smelling like french fries. Your point of diminishing returns on income is lower than the point at which pretty much every other career in EVE starts to take off.

Some people just like mining. The friend who introduced me to EVE found it relaxing. Others get in industrial corps as an activity they can do to justify hanging out with their friends over voice chat. These people should mine as much as they want.

Other people think "I want to make lots of ISK! How do I become an awesome miner?" These people need to be walked awaaay from the mining barges and gently pointed in any other direction.

Other than the introduction of the Venture frigate you get early in the Industrial career tutorial, and the way that the mining barges have been redesigned to not just be all Hulk all the time, the old guides should still be accurate.


HAHAHAHA

And you think that corp taxes are applied to miners.

Do your homework...

Corp taxes are applied to:

* Mission rewards
* Mission bonus rewards
* Bounty prices you get from killing NPC rats.

NOT on mining amounts
NOT on selling stuff on market (those are NPC taxes which can be lowered through skills and standings).


You misunderstood the point, and then you mocked a person who was only being helpful. I hope you learned your lesson.


No I didn't.

Ask the PvP guys if he still wants to PvP when Insurance is deleted aswel as module drops. (aka no possible return on PvP).

Ask the mission guy if the would still mission if it paid nothing.

Ask the incurion guy if they would still run incursions if it didn't pay out those LPs

NONE of them would do it...

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Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#26 - 2012-12-20 18:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Besina Echerie
J'Poll wrote:
Quote:
You misunderstood the point, and then you mocked a person who was only being helpful. I hope you learned your lesson.
No I didn't.
Ask the PvP guys if he still wants to PvP when Insurance is deleted aswel as module drops. (aka no possible return on PvP).
Ask the mission guy if the would still mission if it paid nothing.
Ask the incurion guy if they would still run incursions if it didn't pay out those LPs
NONE of them would do it...

No, you missed the point pretty well. There's some things I do because it's fun, and when I look down and my wallet is bigger - hey! Bonus! Mining is about as mindnumbingly boring of an activity as I can think to do, but people do it anyways because they think it's the path to riches. But it's not only boring, it's low paying too. So the only reason you should be doing it instead of other things is because you would rather spend your time mining than doing basically anything else, because anything else you do will pay more isk.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-12-20 19:29:26 UTC
mining is something to do on your second monitor while you dualbox hubs on your main monitor.

If you're gonna grind, do it properly.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#28 - 2012-12-20 19:35:42 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
I like to play World of Tanks on another screen while I mine dont listen to the PVP goofballs mining is a supplemental income while we play other games.


How DARE you, sir?

Tribes: Ascend is clearly the superior mission-running/mining game.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-20 19:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Besina Echerie wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Quote:
You misunderstood the point, and then you mocked a person who was only being helpful. I hope you learned your lesson.
No I didn't.
Ask the PvP guys if he still wants to PvP when Insurance is deleted aswel as module drops. (aka no possible return on PvP).
Ask the mission guy if the would still mission if it paid nothing.
Ask the incurion guy if they would still run incursions if it didn't pay out those LPs
NONE of them would do it...

No, you missed the point pretty well. There's some things I do because it's fun, and when I look down and my wallet is bigger - hey! Bonus! Mining is about as mindnumbingly boring of an activity as I can think to do, but people do it anyways because they think it's the path to riches. But it's not only boring, it's low paying too. So the only reason you should be doing it instead of other things is because you would rather spend your time mining than doing basically anything else, because anything else you do will pay more isk.


You do know that you are saying that to a Industry player now who can easily support 9 accounts with PLEX and still manage to have PvP characters with endless supply of ships.Lol

But apparantly you are the person with the shortest mind in EVE that thinks everybody should play it in a way YOU are cause that's the only way to do it.

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Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#30 - 2012-12-20 20:02:46 UTC
And does he do it all by shooting at rocks and selling ore? The isk/hour of mining (not industry as a whole, just mining) just plain isn't great. You can make isk that way, but lots of people think that mining is the most efficient use of their time for income. Mining skills are only useful for mining, and lots of other things you could be doing will kick out more iskies after a day of playing.
If you like mining.. because you just like mining, gosh darn it.. then go ahead and mine.
If you like mining.. because you just want to be able to make some extra isk while you're reading a book.. then sure, go ahead and mine if you don't mind the suicide ganker possibility.
If you like mining.. because you dream of rolling in the isk.. then you need to go back to the drawing board, because you can get that easier doing other things that are probably going to be a lot more fun.

I just want to avoid seeing people like "omg I hate staring at a rock all day but i'm making such great isk, i've been training for a year to get good at this! Yay I have 500 million isk now! hard work mining is paying off so much more than my friend who just dinks around! Hey dink-friend, how much isk do you have, huh?" "I made my first billion a few months ago. This is so much fun!" "W....T....F...?!"
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#31 - 2012-12-20 20:07:26 UTC
stop arguing,mining is the best "isk per click" job in the game Big smile
Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#32 - 2012-12-20 20:19:59 UTC
cant really argue there! But you have to wait SOOO LONG before you can click again!
Rams Trough'put
White Knight's Production inc.
#33 - 2012-12-20 22:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rams Trough'put
IOI-655321 wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
Industry
Science
Mining
Refining
Refinery Efficiency
Astrogeology
Mining Upgrades
Mining Frigate
Mining Barge
Exhumers

Your ship progression for mining is:

Venture (mining frigate)
Retriever (mining barge)
Mackinaw (exhumer)

Open the Market interface and search for each of these ships, then click the blue Info icon and switch to the Prerequisites tab. It will list the skills required to fly these ships.

Then switch to the Recommended tab, and you'll see a bunch of Certificates. The certificates are groups of skills that you must train, and when you do you automatically get certified. Open your character sheet and switch to the Certificates section, and look around the flow charts for the skills. These are recommended skills for these ships.

In addition to pure mining / industry skills, you also need two things:

1. The ability to fly an Industrial ship such as Bager Mark II (find it in the market, look at its prerequisites) so you can move your ore to the market hub to sell.

2. You need to toughen up your ship so it's not such an easy prey, by training support skills:

Engineering gives you more energy and shields.
Electronics gives you more CPU (important for mining ships), and better targetting.
Mechanics gives you more armor, hull, and the ability to fit ship rigs.
Navigation makes your ships faster.
Drones - Scout Drones lets you fit a few drones to defend your otherwise unarmed ships.
Trade lets you put more buy/sell orders on the market and with reduced taxes.


Thank you. This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. All the guides out there are so in depth that I can't even figure out what they are telling me to do. This will be a good place for me to start, and maybe once I know what the heck I'm doing, I'll try reading the guides out there again. Much appreciated.
Tack on some drone skills to the rats and such outta your grill.
Drones to 2 for your mining frig, then drones to 4 in a mining barge should be plenty in high sec.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-12-20 23:18:05 UTC
Besina Echerie wrote:
And does he do it all by shooting at rocks and selling ore? The isk/hour of mining (not industry as a whole, just mining) just plain isn't great. You can make isk that way, but lots of people think that mining is the most efficient use of their time for income. Mining skills are only useful for mining, and lots of other things you could be doing will kick out more iskies after a day of playing.
If you like mining.. because you just like mining, gosh darn it.. then go ahead and mine.
If you like mining.. because you just want to be able to make some extra isk while you're reading a book.. then sure, go ahead and mine if you don't mind the suicide ganker possibility.
If you like mining.. because you dream of rolling in the isk.. then you need to go back to the drawing board, because you can get that easier doing other things that are probably going to be a lot more fun.

I just want to avoid seeing people like "omg I hate staring at a rock all day but i'm making such great isk, i've been training for a year to get good at this! Yay I have 500 million isk now! hard work mining is paying off so much more than my friend who just dinks around! Hey dink-friend, how much isk do you have, huh?" "I made my first billion a few months ago. This is so much fun!" "W....T....F...?!"


Bolded and underlined your big mistake.

How do YOU know what OTHERS find fun....please enlighten me. And yes I made billions by just mining and selling null-sec ores / ice.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-20 23:18:52 UTC
Besina Echerie wrote:
cant really argue there! But you have to wait SOOO LONG before you can click again!


So you are saying cause YOU don't like mining it's a stupid profession.

Well guess what: That is called PERSONAL OPINION.

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Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#36 - 2012-12-20 23:38:06 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Besina Echerie wrote:
1: If you like mining.. because you just like mining, gosh darn it.. then go ahead and mine.
How do YOU know what OTHERS find fun....please enlighten me. And yes I made billions by just mining and selling null-sec ores / ice.
Because if they do find it more fun, then they fit into that first category up there that I listed, and should mine to their heart's content. Did you not bother to even read the post before complaining?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-21 10:09:45 UTC
Besina Echerie wrote:

If you like mining.. because you dream of rolling in the isk.. then you need to go back to the drawing board, because you can get that easier doing other things that are probably going to be a lot more fun.


Please enlighten me how I made billions a month with just mining in null-sec.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2012-12-21 14:36:15 UTC
I know a player who maintains no less than three accounts all through PLEX and all entirely through mining. She mutiboxes an Orca and two Hulks. At that rate she can demolish entire asteroid fields faster than a raver popping pills. Once you reach the Orca threshold then your mining efficiency is so high that you are making big bucks.

Even a solo miner in a Mackinaw can earn enough to live entirely off PLEX if they're willing to throw enough hours a day into it.

Point is, mining is just like anything else: It pays you back equal to how much time you put into it, how much ISK you're willing to spend on gear and how many SP you've got invested in those skills. You'll never get rich mining solo in a Venture, but that's why it's a newbie ship. Once you're in a corp with Orca support for your Hulk and coming home to a 0% loss on refining... that is when you realize just how lucrative mining can be.

The nay-sayers are simply people who'll never hit that point... and being so self-centered they think that if they can't do it then no one else can either.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#39 - 2012-12-21 14:46:40 UTC
2 hours a day mining in a retriever will make you enough to buy plex

if you sell at jita,probably hour and a half

if you dont have a lot of time to play mining is exactly for you
San Fransisco
Silver Falcon Survey
#40 - 2012-12-21 15:46:27 UTC
Don't forget about the Drones

You will need to deal with belt rats almost everywhere you mine. Th only option you will have in a mining boat will be to leave or sick your drones on them.

I would get moderate drone skills soon. The Basic Drone Competency Certificate will serve you well.
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