Player Features and Ideas Discussion

actually, its exactly the other way around. Big alliances dont need afk cloakers, they shoot your stuff to shreds and install their own TCU, if they wanted to. But they cant remove people from NPC space, they cant remove afk cloakers/cloakers, they cant blob the **** everyone they dont like from the space. Those small entities sit in NPC space and do their guerilla warfare, which is only possible due to cloak.




no. you can do a **** against covert hotdrops, regardless how big your alliance is, somewhere is always an unoccupied system for a mid cyno to move the fleet. And even if there is none, you wont stop a fleet moving by a covert cyno/BO.


there is no issue, p*ssy

Cloaks are fine..... There are only two issues that need work:

1.) Intel -- The intel tools in this game pretty much consist of metagaming, local, and dscan. Metagaming is about big fights, sov battles, and alliance level warfare. Dscan is great for active intel, good for getting approximate locations and ship types. Local is our passive intel tool.... providing instant knowledge of who's in local. The balance between active and passive intel has much room for improvement, although its not Broken.
... IMO the only change that really should be made is a 10-15s delay between people entering local and appearing in local. This gives the hunter a boon, but doesn't make the hunted hopelessly vulnerable.

2.) Jump Portals -- Jump portals (Titan and BO) provide an interesting mechanic to transport groups of ships directly onto the field of combat. This mechanic is awesome... but it puts the people being hotdropped at a severe disadvantage. Truth be told, they should be at a severe disadvantage. The problem is, the counters to this are destroy the cyno or have a counter hotdrop. Counter hotdrops are only applicable under specific conditions, and there is typically too little time to destroy the cyno before grid fills up with enemies.
... IMO the only change that is needed here is a 15-45s delay between a cyno being lit and enemy ships appearing on grid. The exact timing probably should depend on ship type lighting the cyno, the type of cyno, and testing. Lets assume 30s for as standard BO cyno... If you can't destroy the cyno ship, nor escape the tackle within that time period, you deserve death.

These changes would solve most afk cloaking issues. Hunting for targets, system by system, is no longer so overwhelmingly futile, as you can load grid and start scanning for targets before they initiate warp to a POS. Fighting off the hotdrop from an AFK cloaker would only require a prop mod or a buddy to help kill the cyno before his backup can arrive.

Methods to decloak the afk cloaker are really unnecessary, and over the top.

You know... my alt has a badger, but he's only been shot at once (caught the bomber pilot's name)... but he's also the drake pilot, so odds are that wasn't us. That one time I was already in warp doing PI runs before he got the shot off too.

Got the ol' heart pumping though, I'll tell you that!

I fully agree with this guy, you know, stop being terrified of any neutral in system, stop shooting everyone you see and maybe you'll stop pissing people off and making them want to do things like jump a cap in your face and pillage all your stuffz.

It's simple, you're living in NULL SECURITY space, grow some balls or learn to cloak.

Yes, but not when they focus on the wrong mechanic. Which this idea thread and many like it do.

Sadly the thing is it is not almost everyone. Many while and complain in corp chat but are too damn lazy to get out and discuss in the topics discussing the issue of AFK cloaking.

Hell the people who are doing AFK cloaking are atleast putting the time in to defend their unbalanced activity.

The only thing necessary to "balance" or "fix" cloaking is to remove the pilot of the cloaked ship from Local.

Other than that, cloaking is probably one of the most balanced mechanics in the game. Just because people are as afraid of AFK cloakies as they are of their own shadow doesn't mean it should be nerfed.

GTFO here with that weak ****.

The object of cloaking is to be undetectatble. The PROBLEM is that local displays you regardless of if you are cloaked or not.
Think about any sci-fi movie or programme. The ship that has the cloak is allways totally undectable to the others in the area.

So there really is no need to do anything with cloaking.

Also think of the black ops.... there ability is kinda mute as the second you jump / bridge into a system the whole world knows about it as you show up as a fleet in local. There is nothing black-ops about that.


FIX LOCAL CLOAKING!

Cloaking it self is fine.

Fixing anomalies etc. so that they ignore cloaked ships on grid is a good thing too.

Completely destroying cloaking with some kind of probe is the very definition of unbalanced. Only reason these ideas keep coming to surface is the real problem with the whole information gathering business. It is the one single greatest thing that messes up a simple attempt to do anything undetected. It is the local chat.

Fix that and no one will care who's cloaked while making food for kids or changing diapers, or seeing why your kid is suddenly crying, etc...

Holy crap, you bumped this cloak-breaking piece of crap suggestion?

The majority agrees... cloaks are fine. Probing out cloaked vessels breaks the entire concept of cloaking and only feeds the botters wallets even more by making null space even safer for them to operate in.

The problem isn't cloaks... it's the fact that you can tell a cloaked ship is there in the first place.