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Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO
#21 - 2012-12-20 12:01:48 UTC
I remember the days of having to get up at silly times, but why limit it to 24 hours, why not 30 days, or indeed to the length of subscription remaining??

what would be the disadvantage? would this be game breaking?

Cheers
Tib

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2012-12-20 12:04:37 UTC
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
I remember the days of having to get up at silly times, but why limit it to 24 hours, why not 30 days, or indeed to the length of subscription remaining?
Because its only intent is to solve the 3AM skill changes, not to let you accumulate SP without loggin in.

Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-20 12:05:02 UTC
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
what would be the disadvantage? would this be game breaking?


It forces people to log into the game, i'm guessing that's the main reason for the 24 hour queue.

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Manar Detri
#24 - 2012-12-20 12:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Manar Detri
Mr Pragmatic wrote:


People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours.
It doesn't matter what military you are in.


Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over.


The current system works perfectly, if something, maybe make the queue time 36 hours to allow queuing some lvl 4 skills with lvl 5 skills. Nothing more is needed, and I don't think we even need to change the 24 hour rule atm.

So why's it set to 24 hours ? Well, it's more than enough time to setup skills to training that will take 24 hours minimum to train, or upto 2 months or more and that, I'm sure is enough or more than enough time for anyone to get time to login.

There is no entitled soldier, usa is not the world, and usa:s benefit does not equal the worlds benefit, or should this also extend to taleban soldiers ?;) . We could argue about this but this threads not about ur political shortsightedness.

Account sharing, as has been stated earlier, allowing it opens a can of worms that leads to massive account thefts. I do not see any way the current system doesn't work as required. Remember that theres no punishments for account sharing unless someone makes a request to investigate it.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#25 - 2012-12-20 12:13:13 UTC
I really hate when people bring the military/veterans into things like this. Not being able to log in to change skills isn't punishment. It's a hazard of your chosen profession. I was in the military for 9 years, and EVE player through three deployments. I ran out skill queues maaaany times while over there, and, I dealt with it. It's no different than any other reason for dropping queue.

Also, I was taught from basic onward, that you never ask for special treatment when a servicemember or veteran. If given, you graciously and humbly accept, but you don't demand others treat you differently because of your duty status.

As for a solution, for military folks, give your account info to someone you trust on rear D, and watch your skills when you can on EVE Gate.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-12-20 12:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
I was in the military.

I stopped playing EVE while I was deployed.

People shot at us, we shot back... there was no "clone bay", with a cup of hot coffee and a cigarette waiting...

SERIOUSLY... I had more important things to worry about each day than EVE (Sorry, CCP, I love you guys.... but BULLETS are REAL).

OP: Get over it.


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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2012-12-20 12:31:52 UTC
All they need to do is give players the option of signing a waiver first. That way CCP can still cover their butts while allowing accounts to be shared.

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-12-20 13:41:09 UTC
IIRC about 2 years ago in a ask a dev thread (dont hold me to that, 2 years is a long time to remember the exact where of it) a Dev specifically said they'd stop prosecuting account sharing as a crime, but that if you had an issue where things were stolen from your account and the KNEW you shared, they'd make no effort to return your goods.

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Gotch Urarse
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2012-12-20 13:57:06 UTC
There's a lot of 'meta' in this game. How many use alts here for in-game purposes? I don't see why some kind of web enabled front to manage skill queues would be so wrong. As far as it forcing people to log in and play, how many have seen a corp-mate (or done it themselves), "just logging in to manage skills"?

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True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#30 - 2012-12-20 21:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: True Sight
Think of an MMO subscription like a Gym Membership.

Paying a monthly fee gives you exclusive access to services and facilities which are not available to someone not paying their own subscription.

If you have a Gym membership and are in the military, or have any job that involves being away for long periods of time, you cannot give your membership card to a friend to use, the membership is for you.

If your friend fancies using a treadmill and knows you have a membership, he cannot borrow your membership card and use the Gym.

A Gym costs a lot of money to maintain, replacing equipment, cleaning, paying staff, computers etc. an MMO also costs a lot of money to maintain. If you wish to gain access to those benefits you should be paying a subscription too.

If you need access to a Freighter and do not have one, then you should use some of your subscription time to train for and acquire your own and use it yourself.


Mr Pragmatic wrote:
People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours.

Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over.


I can't say I agree that anyone deserves special treatment, but if I'm wrong and your right, I don't think "allowing account sharing" is the right solution, perhaps give them a discount for their subscriptions or something in thanks of their service. But then.. what if your in the North Korean Military? :D.. or some other 'hostile' military. its too difficult to make a fair system, so better to have no system at all.

Lets say 100,000 people are sharing their accounts with their friends, do you think in that case there will be 0 incidents of friends getting pissed off and doing things to their buddies accounts? Account sharing costs CCP real, hard earned money and your 12 euro subscription goes away very quickly if you think about a single Game Master spending 1 hour investigating your account after you report it 'hacked'.
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#31 - 2012-12-20 21:40:36 UTC
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
dexington wrote:
Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance.


This solves the problem right here...

CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!)

Cheers
Tib


I'll hop in and answer this as I've seen them respond to this in the past, in the end its simply stated as a "eve is a game, we want people to play the game, we think it is wrong that someone should be able to handle a significantly important aspect of the game without even having to log in"
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#32 - 2012-12-20 21:41:38 UTC
Why stop at military people. What about people doing more noble tasks like astronauts. What about homeless people that can't always get access to a computer? What about convicts?

The simple answer is life is unfair and you have to deal with your choices. If Eve online is so important to you that you worry about being deployed then perhaps you should do something about that in real life.

Since it's understandably a taboo topic; I won't say anything regarding account sharing other than it's painfully obvious people do it all the time.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-20 21:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:
Hi

I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list

1. military players get punished for playing No they don't. I know plenty of military guys that log on while they are deployed and change skills when they need to. I also seriously doubt CCP is going to find out that you are managing your buddies account for him while he is away. Account sharing is mostly meant to prevent accounts being used 24/7 by 4 or 5 different people.
2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned Learn to use an Orca. Then buy one of your own. Or use a POS to store it so everybody can use it that has access.
3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above What the hell is a JF? Same as above.

I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules They do. You just don't seem to agree with them.

1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared* No reason for this.
2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned So CCP should be responsible for your items that are stolen due to you sharing with someone else at their own cost not only in that they have to spend more time policing your account but also when they are losing money on an account your friend should be using instead of sharing yours? Yeah...no.

etc No.

it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place. No...they really don't. But you are right. It will not be hard to implement since they don't need to implement it at all.

I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change. Again...no...they don't.

Please like the post if you agree.

Yeah...I will go read all of the responses now and see how many people disagree with me.

Yay...most agree with me. Either way...of everything you posted I would say the only real concern is military personnel being able to update their training queue. Not all military personnel will be able to connect to EVE while deployed. Frankly, this should be something manageable through EVE Gate.

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#34 - 2012-12-20 21:59:54 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:

Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.


Well I've made multiple requests for skill queues to be linked to eve gate for just such people.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-20 22:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours.
It doesn't matter what military you are in.


In reality, certainly. In a computer game, no. Your opinion of them sacrificing their rights is open to debate as there is plenty of military jobs where this is not the case & the fact is, these people choose to have these jobs. They chose to join the military in the first place. It's pointless trying to claim special treatment for being in the military when for all we know, you could be a general hand.

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Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-20 22:09:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content.


So 10+ day skills are what's killing EVE! At last, the culprit is found!

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-12-20 22:09:49 UTC
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#38 - 2012-12-20 22:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:
Hi

I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list

1. military players get punished for playing
2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned
3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above

I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules

1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared*
2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned

etc

it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place.

I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change.

Please like the post if you agree.


1. You might not believe it, but there are people other than soldiers on this planet who can't play EVE all the time. If work wouldn't send me all across the globe all the time, I'd play more EVE.

2. Your friend can contract you his Orca, before he logs off? Put it into a corp hangar? What is this? Communism? ;)

3. Basically what you are saying is: If there is a 200 man corp, lets just groom/buy & build 10 toons for the ten players that are online at a time (or the elite) and then they can use the best all the time... Also of course friends, allies & enemies have to guess whom they are talking to. Mark, the stalwart soldier... Or is it Nick, the soap opera actor... Or Jeff, the lumberjack?
There should be some consistency even with chars. Or the next big business will be: "Rent a char"

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Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-12-20 22:28:49 UTC
There isn't really anything to prevent you from sharing your account. Just ask yourself, if you ask your wife/husband, girlfriend/boyfriend to change your skills or even quickly log in a character to do something and they do this from a location and even computer that you use regularly how is CCP goint to tell that it is an different person then the one the account is registered to?

The main reason that there is a rule that forbids accountsharing is to make sure that you have responsibility for anything that happens with your account and that you cannot hold CCP responsible if the person you decide to trust with your accountinformation decided to steal/destroy everything you have on it, gets you banned for whatever reason or just uses your charecter to really **** of everyone in game to the extent they will hunt you down at any opportunity. And because of this most game will forbid accountsharing mostly to protect themselves from people trying to blame them because they themselves trusted the wrong people.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#40 - 2012-12-20 22:29:51 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Players online are what create the content for the game. Having people not log in reduces that content.


So 10+ day skills are what's killing EVE! At last, the culprit is found!

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