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Venture: Mining frigate
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#1 - 2012-12-19 15:55:56 UTC
Newbie question, have mercy with me. Roll

Obviously the Venture isn't only meant as a beginner mining ship - the +2 warp core wouldn't make sense when you are in High Sec only. Somehow it gives the impression that ship is meant to be used for ninja mining in lower security.

At least that was my idea. I bought one of those, put some shield stuff and a cloaking device (so I could hide from evil pirates) and even extra warp core stabilizers (I am paranoid) on and went to low sec first to give it a try. And was killed by the first 3 Serpentis I met (and no, it wasn't battleship serpentis...), because my two Hobgoblin I (with somewhat lame droid skills I have) couldn't kill them fast enough before I was dead.

So, here's my question: How do you actually mine with a Venture in Lowsec or even Highsec? I don't mind players, but what to do with the npc in the belts? Just avoid them, only jump to empty belts and leave the second a npc appears? Or is there a fitting that would allow me to kill them with the lonely two droids I can put in the bay? Would have two Hobgoblin II with better droid skills make a difference?

Do people have experience with using the Venture in Nullsec/Lowsec?

Thanks in advance!
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#2 - 2012-12-19 16:01:49 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:


So, here's my question: How do you actually mine with a Venture in Lowsec


In packs
Zhu Khan
Khanid Arbitrage Incorporated
#3 - 2012-12-19 16:18:02 UTC
A Venture pack with a drone swarm or hop belts when anything appears. T2 drones also make a difference. I'm working on using one in nullsec to mine Mercoxit and run whenever anything shows up.
Dave stark
#4 - 2012-12-19 16:48:58 UTC
how do you mine in low sec? you don't. only idiots mine in low sec, to be blunt.
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#5 - 2012-12-19 17:00:05 UTC
If you're considering using the Venture in low-sec, you may want to examine its capabilities as a gas harvester more than its mining ability. It really is a great platform for gas harvesting, plus the non-combat low-sec ladar sites don't have rats, so all you have to worry about are other players. That's where that warp core bonus can come in handy.

If you can fly T2 drones, the two in your hold should be able to take on anything in 0.5 space and up. If you're in hi-sec, you could even consider putting a remote armor repper in your utility high to repair your drones if they take too much heat. Honestly though, you should be getting into a barge pretty quickly if you plan on sticking around hi sec.

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#6 - 2012-12-19 17:51:40 UTC
Thanks a lot for the answers so far.

Dave stark wrote:
how do you mine in low sec? you don't. only idiots mine in low sec, to be blunt.


Maybe I am an idiot, but I like mining in Lowsec or Nullsec. I don't care about ISK/hour.

Two answers suggest to mine in packs - that would mean that the Venture isn't meant for solo mining in Nullsec/Lowsec, maybe you're right. I will try again with T2 drones and better drone skills and see how far I get.

And thanks for the hint about low-sec ladar sites, Bridgette - being the noob I am I didn't know that they don't have rats, somehow I assumed all sites have rats.
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#7 - 2012-12-19 18:21:20 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
And thanks for the hint about low-sec ladar sites, Bridgette - being the noob I am I didn't know that they don't have rats, somehow I assumed all sites have rats.


True ladar sites (the nebulas where the gas clouds are found), don't have rats in high or low sec, as far as I have found. Combat ladar sites have pretty much nothing but rats and a few hackable containers. Make sure you know what type you're jumping into before you do so. If it says Nebula, you should be good to go. Anything else and you're likely to get blown up.

Note: I can't really speak for WH space. My understanding is that their ladar sites do have rats and they will mess you up quickly.

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
Diremage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-19 19:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Diremage
WH Ladar sites do have rats, which tend to spawn a few minutes after you start harvesting the clouds. Compared to the combat sites, the rats are pushovers, but they are sleepers and they are more than adequate to take down a few ill-prepared huffers.

Edit: At least, I know for a fact that c5 WH ladar (and grav) sites have sleepers. I would assume that lower-end ladar sites also have sleeper spawns, but I don't know that from personal experience.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#9 - 2012-12-19 20:43:36 UTC
If you're paying attention with an AB and a small shield booster I've found you can tank most lowsec rats fine with some manual flying. Ctrl-9 to get rid of the HUD, turn up your music and zip between the asteroids blasting them with psychedelic blue mining beams! Wheeeeee!
Otto Toten
Brute Inc.
#10 - 2012-12-20 02:01:42 UTC
I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.
Artimedus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-20 09:08:05 UTC
Otto Toten wrote:
I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.


Congrats what do you want an award? Apparantly blowing up defenseless mining ships is a sign of a bada** NOT!
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-20 09:12:20 UTC
You warp from belt tobelt till you find some belt thats empty! If rats come in stick your dronens onto them and align out, if your close to dieing just warp!

(and fit max tank, as most ventures die before they can align out, if a actual pirate comes into theri belt!)
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-12-20 09:33:37 UTC
Diremage wrote:

Edit: At least, I know for a fact that c5 WH ladar (and grav) sites have sleepers. I would assume that lower-end ladar sites also have sleeper spawns, but I don't know that from personal experience.


Yep all w-space gravs and ladars have rats.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace#master_list

Scroll down and it lists all of the gravs and ladars, what rats spawn, what it takes to kill them and number and type of rock/gas.
Otto Toten
Brute Inc.
#14 - 2012-12-20 12:47:35 UTC
Artimedus wrote:
Otto Toten wrote:
I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.


Congrats what do you want an award? Apparantly blowing up defenseless mining ships is a sign of a bada** NOT!



Apply a little heat, they pop like popcorn.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#15 - 2012-12-20 13:47:50 UTC
Zhu Khan wrote:
A Venture pack with a drone swarm or hop belts when anything appears. T2 drones also make a difference. I'm working on using one in nullsec to mine Mercoxit and run whenever anything shows up.


Also look into the Drone Interfacing skill. It gives a huge bonus to drone damage.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#16 - 2012-12-20 14:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Yolanta Geezenstack
Otto Toten wrote:
I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.


Hehe, that's fine - without the thrill of getting destroyed it wouldn't be interesting mining in Lowsec or Nullsec.

Do you have the killmails for those 3? I am interested about the fitting of the Ventures you killed.

Oh, and thanks for the link, bubble trout!
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
#17 - 2012-12-20 14:42:24 UTC
Diremage wrote:
WH Ladar sites do have rats, which tend to spawn a few minutes after you start harvesting the clouds. Compared to the combat sites, the rats are pushovers, but they are sleepers and they are more than adequate to take down a few ill-prepared huffers.

Edit: At least, I know for a fact that c5 WH ladar (and grav) sites have sleepers. I would assume that lower-end ladar sites also have sleeper spawns, but I don't know that from personal experience.


All ladars in WH space have sleepers, they spawn 15 minutes after you initiate warp the site.
Otto Toten
Brute Inc.
#18 - 2012-12-20 18:32:09 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Otto Toten wrote:
I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.


Hehe, that's fine - without the thrill of getting destroyed it wouldn't be interesting mining in Lowsec or Nullsec.

Do you have the killmails for those 3? I am interested about the fitting of the Ventures you killed.

Oh, and thanks for the link, bubble trout!


Here ya go.

2012.12.08 18:41:00

Victim: Te Jay
Corp: Academy xCAPx
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Venture
System: Elarel
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 642

Involved parties:

Name: Otto Toten (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.50
Corp: Sebiestor Tribe
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Rupture
Weapon: Dual 180mm AutoCannon II
Damage Done: 642

Destroyed items:

Miner I

Dropped items:

Miner I

2012.12.08 21:20:00

Victim: Dread Warlord
Corp: Academy xCAPx
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Venture
System: Elarel
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 541

Involved parties:

Name: Otto Toten (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.60
Corp: Sebiestor Tribe
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Pilgrim
Weapon: Hammerhead II
Damage Done: 541

Destroyed items:

Miner II

Dropped items:

Miner II


2012.12.19 13:02:00

Victim: Selnaris Maulerant
Corp: Iynx Teledyne Armory
Alliance: The Chogo Ri Commonwealth
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Venture
System: Elarel
Security: 0.4
Damage Taken: 574

Involved parties:

Name: Otto Toten (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.60
Corp: Sebiestor Tribe
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Pilgrim
Weapon: Hammerhead II
Damage Done: 574

Destroyed items:

Small Ancillary Shield Booster
Core Scanner Probe I, Qty: 8 (Cargo)
Small Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I
Miner II
Core Probe Launcher I (Cargo)
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Noctis Blueprint (Copy) (Cargo)
Cap Booster 25, Qty: 5

Dropped items:

Navitas Blueprint (Copy) (Cargo)
Cap Booster 25, Qty: 11 (Cargo)
Survey Scanner II
Miner II
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Antimatter Charge S Blueprint (Copy) (Cargo)
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-20 19:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mire Stoude
If you mine in low sec, any NPC other than a frig can be speed tanked with an AB. Just orbit a roid at whatever distance keeps you from bouncing off the fewest roids and stagger your mining turrets so you don't cap out. Mining drones will get popped, even if they didn't they would have to chase you down to get you the ore, so if you have to resort to this method just recall your drones.

The only real problem is NPC frigs as they can't be speed tanked or killed very well in the venture. Sometimes just better to move on to the next belt. If you don't have a corp mate that can kill the rats, sweep the belts once in a combat frig to clear the NPC frigs then return in your venture (you will have to repeat that once an hour or so as more warp in).

If any hostiles are in system just keep the dscan spinning. If you see a combat ship or combat probes on scan, cloak or dock up.

Also, a good fit:
2x mining turrets
1x prototype cloak
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1x AB
1x Medium Shield Extender
1x Survey Scanner
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1x Mining Upgrade
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2x Mining drone

Mining hemor or jaspet you should get 4-13m an hour depending on skills, fit, and ability to stay in belt without interruption.
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#20 - 2012-12-20 19:20:30 UTC
Otto Toten wrote:
Kills

Any idea if the last two guys were paying attention? The Rupture/ACII kill I can see pretty easily if they weren't using DScan. That thing would shred a Venture, but the drones? Granted, you could uncloak next to them, but you still need to target them, deploy drones, and issue a command. Did you cap the Venture out? I would have loved to see a video of these kills.

Sad panda that the Noctis BPC was destroyed but not the Navitas BPC.

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
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