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Help with fraps and video editing software.

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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-20 04:40:22 UTC
I am asking for those that use sony vegas and fraps to give their opinions on what is the best settings for recording in fraps and editing in sony vegas.
zaqq
Galactic Deep Space Industries
Brave Collective
#2 - 2012-12-20 08:29:37 UTC
heya, dont use sony vegas but I use fraps ALOT. Heres my settings.

Fraps Picture

I like to capture at 60 fps just in case I need to use some super slow motion in after effects, ofcorse youtube will encode any video to you upload to 30 fps so to save on hard drive space you can easily use 30 fps.

My loop buffer is always set to just 5 seconds when I use it. Not usually used for eve but when I am recording dayz where not alot happens for long periods of time it saves a ton of hard drive space, and you wont miss any funny moments.

I have split movie every 4gig only because when I am editing I have the video files cached, and having lots of clips instead of 1 massive 200gig file for example saves time on the caching since I only cache the parts I need.

Sound capture setting, you're prefernce.

I keep the 'Lock frame rate while recording' unchecked. So if your capturing at 30 fps you dont have to play at 30 fps. Your game will play at its normal speed for your pc.

With regards to video encoding with vegas or whatever, make sure your audio quality is maxxed and the video bit rate is very high to. Theres so many codecs and options mp4, mov, avi etc etc and the options vary with each. Have a mess around and I am sure you will find a good setting.

hope that helps man o7

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#3 - 2012-12-20 14:40:57 UTC
Fraps 3.5.9:

30 Frames per Second,
Loop buffer 60 Seconds,
Split movie every 4 Gig to avoid lost frames*
Lossless RGB Capture

Vegas 12.0.394:

Editing:

Project Settings to Match Footage

Encoding:

(Main Concept AVC/AAC custom template MP4)
Custom Frame Size,
Profile = Baseline,
Field Order = Progressive Scan,
Pixel Aspect Ratio = 1.0
Number of Reference Frames = 1
Deblocking Filter = UNCHECKED
Variable Bit Rate (with two-pass) = Depends on Resolution**
Encode Mode = (go to 'system' tag for a recommend/available options, like CUDA)

Uploading:

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I would also recommend searching for more applications and options for rendering, as Sony Vegas can supply you with uncompressed video output. This file can then be encoded with better/higher clarity of MP4, or even use another codec like x264 inside an MKV container.

AK

PS: If you are uploading to YouTube, the quality of rendering is irrelevant, as YouTube will make any footage look like a dogs dinner due to Extreme levels of compression. I guess it depends what is more important to you, but you are the one who is going to spend hours slaving over Sony Vegas, not me.

*The odds of this happening are slim.

**Something like 1280x1024 can deal with 2-5 mbps, whereas 1920x1080 may need as much as 10-12 mbps. I strongly recommend encoding 10 seconds chunks to test render quality using 'render loop region' option.

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Vixorz
Cabronazos
#4 - 2012-12-20 14:59:32 UTC
Excellent answers.

Can you guys extend a bit more about the 'loop buffer' option. What exactly is it used for?
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#5 - 2012-12-20 15:41:05 UTC
Vixorz wrote:
Excellent answers.

Can you guys extend a bit more about the 'loop buffer' option. What exactly is it used for?


It allows you to constantly capture whatever timeframe you set in loop.

So, if you set it to 60 seconds, the last 60 seconds is being loop captured - this is a great feature they added way back in February last year.

What it also means is that whenever you switch your capturing on continuous, it will Fraps from that moment minus 60 seconds - very cool.

AK

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Vixorz
Cabronazos
#6 - 2012-12-20 16:05:38 UTC
Thanks for the explanation.

As i've seen in a youtube video about this, you turn on this 'loop buffer' holding the recording button until FPS indicator turns pink, then, whenever you want to activate continuous recording again you just press recording button again (indicator turns red) and you obtain the previous 60 secs (or whatever you have set) and the new continuous file that comes after that moment.

Am i correct?
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#7 - 2012-12-20 16:22:25 UTC
Vixorz wrote:
Thanks for the explanation.

As i've seen in a youtube video about this, you turn on this 'loop buffer' holding the recording button until FPS indicator turns pink, then, whenever you want to activate continuous recording again you just press recording button again (indicator turns red) and you obtain the previous 60 secs (or whatever you have set) and the new continuous file that comes after that moment.

Am i correct?


Yes.

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awhiplash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-20 16:59:57 UTC
I usually just fraps and import directly into vegas. Are you saying there is something i can do before importing to make the vid quality better? Is so please explain.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#9 - 2012-12-20 17:18:21 UTC
awhiplash wrote:
I usually just fraps and import directly into vegas. Are you saying there is something i can do before importing to make the vid quality better? Is so please explain.


You talking to me?

AK

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awhiplash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-20 18:15:55 UTC
You or whoever knows how to make the vids better quality before or after vegas.
awhiplash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-20 18:31:51 UTC
just found this vid on youtube, looks nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXEaN_UE_M
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#12 - 2012-12-20 18:51:44 UTC
awhiplash wrote:
You or whoever knows how to make the vids better quality before or after vegas.


Before:

Lossless RGB capture, and an eye for framing the image.

During:

Editing to the music, shot selection, timing, opening title work, closing title work, communicating appropriate levels of information during the vid (minor plus est) and having establishing shots for scenes (like; having a nicely composed shot of a Sun and a planet+moon in a system, before the fight in the same system)

Some of these are before, but really come together in the edit.

After:

Encoding is important to the picture quality and audio quality, so would recommend researching this if you are going to offer a downloadable version of your video. As mentioned, Sony Vegas can export an uncompressed version of your video so you can do the final encode using another program, or bring it into something like After Effects for motion graphics and then encoding.

Some programs are geared up for x264 encoding/MKV container, which used to be very popular when people had poor internet connections and/or video streaming did not offer HD uploads. Example; what used to take a 3-5 mbps encode, could achieve similar quality for 1-1.5 mbps encode...making a long video 100 mb's @ 720p, instead of 1 GB due to compression cleverness. It's mostly used now for DVD 'rips' or 'backups'. Oh, and it's free and has that opensource feel to it.

Personally I felt it pushed the saturation down, and so I always opt for MP4 H264 - but it's all personal taste and personal workflow, and using After Effects I feel that H264 MP4 gives very nice colours without looking like oversaturated DivX avis or undersaturated MKV/x264.

Plus, CCP use it.

AK

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#13 - 2012-12-20 18:53:42 UTC
awhiplash wrote:
just found this vid on youtube, looks nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXEaN_UE_M


We're on Version 12 now, and the interface at the 'render as' stage has changed.

AK

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awhiplash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-20 21:21:04 UTC
thanks Al, will looking into some of the things you said.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-21 07:05:46 UTC
thanks for all those that posted advice.