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Account sharing, a change is needed

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The Lady Nighthawk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-20 08:40:05 UTC
Hi

I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list

1. military players get punished for playing
2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned
3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above

I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules

1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared*
2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned

etc

it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place.

I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change.

Please like the post if you agree.
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#2 - 2012-12-20 09:09:40 UTC
It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.

Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-12-20 09:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Marlona Sky wrote:
*snipped deleted post*

Ha ha, nope, I'm not going to let you farm likes. But I also disagree.

Having real life take a toll on your skill points is unfortunate (and there are far better examples of SP-preventing circumstances like illness, which unlike the military, are not voluntary). However, zero tolerance account sharing makes enforcing a host of other rules.

Tolerating account sharing would make situations like these far more complicated:

  • That wasn't me isk trading / botting! It was my brother trying to surprise me with lots of ISK for when I got home!
  • My ex deleted my characters!
  • My account was 'hacked' Sad


Et cetera.

The Lady Nighthawk wrote:
2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned
3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above

These are not reasons to share accounts. These are reasons for you to train and get your own Orca/JF, buy a character, or get your friend to actually use them.

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Esha Ditrix
#4 - 2012-12-20 09:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Esha Ditrix
Marlona Sky wrote:
Like this post if you disagree.

+1

@OP,
what exactly do you mean military ppl get punished for playing ?
its their choice to go kill ppl, and choices have consequences, EVE IS REAL...

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Mr Pragmatic
#5 - 2012-12-20 09:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
CausticS0da wrote:
It's to protect against account theft and people complaining to CCP when things get stolen. The effect is that you're welcome to share your information with others if you want but can't blame CCP if things go wrong.

Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.



*snipped needless insults* - CCP Eterne

People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours.
It doesn't matter what military you are in.


Anyways, I don't see the problem with account sharing amongst friends. As long as you keep it legit and not screwing your friend over.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#6 - 2012-12-20 09:15:50 UTC
If I can trade ships in a Corp Hangar for my own Alts, two people who know each other in real life can do the same.

If I'm going in to a situation where I can't access a computer to switch out my skills? It's the last thing on my mind. Active militar people all over the world play EVE.

As pointed out, if you trust someone with your password, give them your password. When they steal your Orca, go beating on their door though. I would.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-20 09:20:06 UTC
There is nothing preventing you from sharing your account right now. CCP isn't actively hunting down account sharers. The rule is there because it's a huge source of abuse cases and CCP can't guarantee the integrity of a shared account. Friendships end, disgruntled corpies steal shared corp assets/accounts and people scam others quite intentionally. CCP would rather not waste time dealing with that and losing an account is a huge source of grief and rage quitting, so it's prudent business management to try and minimize such cases. The rule is there to also inform you, that in disputes only one person can claim ownership of an account, things will likely go wrong at some point and when it happens it's all your fault and you're not guaranteed to get anything back.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#8 - 2012-12-20 09:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Quote:

2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned
3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above


How about actually getting your Orca and JF pilots online then..... Why the hell do they have them, if they are not actually used when needed?

*snipped political talk* - CCP Eterne
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-12-20 09:29:13 UTC
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2012-12-20 10:58:41 UTC
I have unlocked the topic, but it did require serious clean up. Discussion of whether account sharing should be legal or not is a valid topic, including giving reasons such as individuals in the military having people change skills for them. However, you should keep discussion of the topic and its reasons non-politically involved and refrain from insulting other posters.

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Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO
#11 - 2012-12-20 11:08:13 UTC
I believe there should be a way to change your skills through the web site.... this would solve the problem of people being away as they can still get access to do that.

as for sharing accounts.... im not sure on that one....

Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views!

Kira Vanachura
Green Visstick High
#12 - 2012-12-20 11:19:49 UTC
I don't like account sharing for several reasons:
- people will use less alt accounts as they can lend those from others => less income for CCP => nasty consequences for the players
- this is Eve: people will steal stuff etc. - this will lead to people losing all their stuff and quitting (I don't expect CCP to even begin undoing all that)

CCP might want to add some feature for players who cannot log into eve for RL issues:
- enable skillqueu modification options through Eve gate - maybe add a proxy especially for Eve gate that avoids filtering programs recognizing it as a game website
- allow people to set a longer skillqueu, but at a reduced skillpoint rate

You can already share accounts. It's impossible to track, just don't give your password to a guy living on the other side of the world and allow him to log in right after you log off.
C DeLeon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-12-20 11:21:34 UTC
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
I believe there should be a way to change your skills through the web site.... this would solve the problem of people being away as they can still get access to do that.

as for sharing accounts.... im not sure on that one....

^^^^^^ about skill training changes

I don't like the idea of sharing already existing personal accounts with theft policy. Theft is legal in this game and if it happens through account sharing it shouldn't be illegal there too. It's everyone's own responsibility. But creating new accounts which could be shared on corp/alliance level (and accessable depending on corp/alliance roles and not by knowing the password) could be an interesting thing.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-20 11:28:13 UTC
Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-20 11:34:11 UTC
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:

2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned


If you've shared your account willingly it should be understood that you've consented to let someone else make lasting decisions on that account, that it's no longer "yours", and for that reason you cannot be robbed.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-20 11:38:44 UTC
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:
2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned.


You can loose a lot more then isk, ships and items, what if someone decides to repeatedly self destruct your pod without buying a clone? It would leave your account close to useless.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#17 - 2012-12-20 11:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Nurgle
dexington wrote:
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:
2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned.


You can loose a lot more then isk, ships and items, what if someone decides to repeatedly self destruct your pod without buying a clone? It would leave your account close to useless.



Why does that sound familliar....

edit; Oh, nevermind, I remember :/
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#18 - 2012-12-20 11:48:39 UTC
Sharing of accounts should be allowed.
Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO
#19 - 2012-12-20 11:53:40 UTC
dexington wrote:
Why not just make the queue is as long as the game time the account is currently holding, if you wanted to train for 6 or 12 months you just need to need to pay for the game time in advance.


This solves the problem right here...

CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!)

Cheers
Tib

Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views!

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-12-20 11:54:19 UTC
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
CCP Why is the queue only limited to 24 hours?? (genuine question! no trolling!)
Because it's more than enough to solve the problems it's meant to solve (viz. 3 AM skill changes).
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