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Humble Observations From Foreign Blood

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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#1 - 2012-12-19 00:45:20 UTC
Saisa IGS, allow me to introduce myself (to those who don't know me already). My name is Korsavius, or simply "Kor", and I am Caldari. Not by blood, of course, but rather in spirit if there is such a thing. That is one of the beautiful things about this State; anyone, anyone can come here and make a decent life for themselves if they choose to work for it. One can be embraced by the community, and revered as a great contributor to society. By no means is the State a walk in the meadow, however - it gets tough. This is natural to a hypercapitalistic society, and it is definitely not meant for everyone. There is no perfect government. Anyone who would believe in such a thing has no mature grasp of reality, but this system works for us. This is the Caldari way.

Enough about the State, though. There is a wealth of other posts on this forum for such talk. I would like to focus more on the Gallente Federation, and how it intertwines with the State.

I visit the Federation on occasion, not often, but plenty times enough. What I see can be quite disgusting to me at times. Cheap sexual pleasures for sale, trash holo-videos/movies, luxuries that only the wealthy can flaunt, corrupt politicians out hoarding for themselves, and bad pop music. Yes, one can say the Gallente take hedonism to the extreme. These hedonistic tendencies are often target of the more...shall we say, "right-wing" Caldari. An unfair practice as the State is home to its fair share of unattractive things, such as gambling like there is no tomorrow.

At the same time, the most beautiful things I've layed witness to reside in the Federation. Streets and walls made of shimmering crystal, metropolises of exquisite and organic design, and artwork to soothe the most troubled minds. I myself own a small collection of hand-painted Intaki portraits which I use to decorate my office quarters. Yes, one can say the Gallente are the manifestation of progress of human capability and spirit. I find it fascinating how a nation which praises individualism can come together in such a cohesive manner, much like water molecules in swishing liquid. Whereas the Gallente are the liquid form of water, the Caldari are the solid form - rigid and steadfast where it counts. At the end of the day, we are both of the same substance - water.

I have often come across many a Federation citizen who possesses a passion for their home, much like the Caldari do for theirs. So, yes, I have come to notice the differences between the State and the Federation are ever so thin. Perhaps I am biased, being of Minmatar blood, but perhaps I am not. My heart and mind are forever bound to the State, do not ever doubt that.

I shall end this with a sentence that has forever been etched into my memory. It was said by the most beautiful woman I have ever met, and her words spoken with a thick Gallentean accent still perplex me to this day.

"I know the two have their differences, and that is fine, really. As for me, I am ******* crazy...but I am free."

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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-12-19 00:59:32 UTC
Freedom without purpose is overvalued. On itself, freedom means nothing, is no greater good nor any objective to strive for. It's just the realization that you are responsible for what you do. What matters is what you do with that freedom, and that is something where many Gallente fail to come out positively.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2012-12-19 01:34:58 UTC
Excellent sentiments, Korsavius-haan.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#4 - 2012-12-19 02:25:48 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
Freedom without purpose is overvalued. On itself, freedom means nothing, is no greater good nor any objective to strive for. It's just the realization that you are responsible for what you do. What matters is what you do with that freedom, and that is something where many Gallente fail to come out positively.


You see that is where you are wrong, Mr. Sepherim. I wish I could provide hard data to counter your point, but this is something to which no hard evidence can be obtained. You have to take a visit to the Federation and witness for yourself what freedom means to the Gallente. Freedom for one Gallentean might mean driving out on the open road drinking and getting high during the nights, and that is something they are quite content with. Sure this is not my or your ideal definition of freedom, but it is freedom nonetheless.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#5 - 2012-12-19 02:42:23 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Excellent sentiments, Korsavius-haan.


Msr. Tuulinen's sentiments were well chosen.

Msr Korsavius Your thoughtful and fair analysis of our respective cultures is no doubt indicative of a rational and reflective mind.

You do yourself and all.. Caldari proud.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-12-19 02:52:40 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
You see that is where you are wrong, Mr. Sepherim. I wish I could provide hard data to counter your point, but this is something to which no hard evidence can be obtained. You have to take a visit to the Federation and witness for yourself what freedom means to the Gallente. Freedom for one Gallentean might mean driving out on the open road drinking and getting high during the nights, and that is something they are quite content with. Sure this is not my or your ideal definition of freedom, but it is freedom nonetheless.


I agree, that's my point exactly: freedom alone means nothing. To use it just to drive and get high is to waste time. Sure, it is a free waste of time, but a waste none the less. Thus the importance of objective and sense, in the end all that matters is what you achieve with your time, be it freely or not.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#7 - 2012-12-19 03:11:31 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
Korsavius wrote:
You see that is where you are wrong, Mr. Sepherim. I wish I could provide hard data to counter your point, but this is something to which no hard evidence can be obtained. You have to take a visit to the Federation and witness for yourself what freedom means to the Gallente. Freedom for one Gallentean might mean driving out on the open road drinking and getting high during the nights, and that is something they are quite content with. Sure this is not my or your ideal definition of freedom, but it is freedom nonetheless.


I agree, that's my point exactly: freedom alone means nothing. To use it just to drive and get high is to waste time. Sure, it is a free waste of time, but a waste none the less. Thus the importance of objective and sense, in the end all that matters is what you achieve with your time, be it freely or not.


Waste? Such as masochistic adoration of mythical figures?
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-12-19 03:49:37 UTC
I've looked, thrice now, and have failed to find a coherent thesis or conclusion. Is it that the Federation and the State are similar because they are both inhabited by people? Is it that the Federation and the State are similar in that they both have problems and benefits? Is it that the Federation and the State are dissimilar because the Federation places an undo emphasis on hedonism and liberty? Everything you write should have a central idea and evidence that supports the idea.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#9 - 2012-12-19 03:55:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Excellent sentiments, Korsavius-haan.


Wasn't an argument made just yesterday in the summit by yourself and Stitcher, that in order to be Caldari you need to have blood traceable back to Caldari Prime? Because I distinctly recall that in you and his words, even the Achura are not caldari, and are merely another type of jaijii. By that very precise and exacting definition that was given to me, Mr. Korsavius would not qualify for the title of Caldari.

As for the content of the original message. I'm not precisely sure the point that is being made. It seems to ramble on without reaching any sort of conclusion. Statements without anything to bind them together into a cohesive message.

Mr. Korsavius, I must ask, what exactly was the purpose behind this message?
Vikarion
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-19 06:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
Saede Riordan wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Excellent sentiments, Korsavius-haan.


Wasn't an argument made just yesterday in the summit by yourself and Stitcher, that in order to be Caldari you need to have blood traceable back to Caldari Prime? Because I distinctly recall that in you and his words, even the Achura are not caldari, and are merely another type of jaijii. By that very precise and exacting definition that was given to me, Mr. Korsavius would not qualify for the title of Caldari.

As for the content of the original message. I'm not precisely sure the point that is being made. It seems to ramble on without reaching any sort of conclusion. Statements without anything to bind them together into a cohesive message.

Mr. Korsavius, I must ask, what exactly was the purpose behind this message?


Wow, I would not have expected Stitcher to have made such an argument, unless he was speaking of ethnicity, rather than nationality. There are many, many non-ethnic Caldari in the State, from Gallente to Intaki to even a few Minmatar. In terms of being a Caldari citizen, it is less important that you be ethnically Caldari than that you follow Caldari cultural customs.

I've heard Stitcher say the same, so I must conclude that some miscommunication was involved.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#11 - 2012-12-19 07:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I've looked, thrice now, and have failed to find a coherent thesis or conclusion. Is it that the Federation and the State are similar because they are both inhabited by people? Is it that the Federation and the State are similar in that they both have problems and benefits? Is it that the Federation and the State are dissimilar because the Federation places an undo emphasis on hedonism and liberty? Everything you write should have a central idea and evidence that supports the idea.


If you came here expecting to read some grand theoretical essay, then I'm sorry to say you will be disappointed. What I said here can be considered random ranting if you wish. They are mere observations and sentiments I felt like expressing, nothing more. Carry on, pilot.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-12-19 08:44:22 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I've looked, thrice now, and have failed to find a coherent thesis or conclusion.


Vea, not only do you bring less to the table than the majority of IGS participants, your recent spat of weak, juvenile level critiques indicate a complete lack of language comprehension and an absence of understanding for different writing approaches.

I am sure that your 101 course to writing formal theses was financially crippling, but this isn't the right forum to milk it for its monies worth.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-19 09:34:28 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
My heart and mind are forever bound to the State, do not ever doubt that.

Unfortunately, taken into account deeds of your corporation, especially towards those, who were protecting the State in trouble times, and making blue treaties with those, who were seeking destruction of the State, I can't believe you.

You will need something more than just empty words. For example, ditching your corporation as a start and enlisting yourself to wash your name with blood of enemies.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-12-19 10:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Vikarion wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Excellent sentiments, Korsavius-haan.


Wasn't an argument made just yesterday in the summit by yourself and Stitcher, that in order to be Caldari you need to have blood traceable back to Caldari Prime? Because I distinctly recall that in you and his words, even the Achura are not caldari, and are merely another type of jaijii. By that very precise and exacting definition that was given to me, Mr. Korsavius would not qualify for the title of Caldari.

As for the content of the original message. I'm not precisely sure the point that is being made. It seems to ramble on without reaching any sort of conclusion. Statements without anything to bind them together into a cohesive message.

Mr. Korsavius, I must ask, what exactly was the purpose behind this message?


Wow, I would not have expected Stitcher to have made such an argument, unless he was speaking of ethnicity, rather than nationality. There are many, many non-ethnic Caldari in the State, from Gallente to Intaki to even a few Minmatar. In terms of being a Caldari citizen, it is less important that you be ethnically Caldari than that you follow Caldari cultural customs.

I've heard Stitcher say the same, so I must conclude that some miscommunication was involved.


Miss Riordan may have confused Hakatain-haan's explanation of the cultural status of the ethnically Caldari who choose not to embrace the Caldari Way on Caldari Prime with the discussion on the status of those Jaijii (foreigners) who embrace the Caldari Way and become Kirjuun (Comrades).

What I believe that Stitcher was saying was that Kirjuun who are not ethnically Civire or Deteis always have to prove themselves in a way that those who are ethnically Civire or Deteis usually do not. In addition you may find difficulty when it comes to getting your choice of Mate approved. There is nothing unusual in this, as most Corporations are usually quite stringent in their standards. For example, marriages between Civire and Deteis often race institutional reluctance.

It is my understanding that Korsavius-haan has been sponsored by Ishukone and is, therefore, entitled to the honorific.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#15 - 2012-12-19 10:52:50 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
For example, marriages between Civire and Deteis often race institutional reluctance.


I've never come across the attitude.

From what I've seen the main thing stopping Civire/Deteis from pairing off is simply a lack of physical attraction.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#16 - 2012-12-19 13:10:25 UTC
It's rather amusing that this sort of statement comes from someone that is not only a jaijii but a member of a corporation with one of the most questionable loyalties to their claimed home going.

Tell me kvende, how do you feel about the fact that your parent corporation, and in particular it's leader, has a vested history in assisting the CVA in slaving raids against your ancestral home? I imagine the supposed Caldari in you would argue that it's strictly business, but I wonder if that's how you truly feel.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-12-19 13:17:08 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Waste? Such as masochistic adoration of mythical figures?


I agree, lots of people waste their lives only in adoration of mythical figures. But many others can create a greater good through that adoration, feeding the poor, guiding the lost, giving comfort to those who need it. As I said, what matters is what you do, but specially the purpose that guides you to it.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#18 - 2012-12-19 13:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Saede Riordan
Sepherim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Waste? Such as masochistic adoration of mythical figures?


I agree, lots of people waste their lives only in adoration of mythical figures. But many others can create a greater good through that adoration, feeding the poor, guiding the lost, giving comfort to those who need it. As I said, what matters is what you do, but specially the purpose that guides you to it.


People, you will find Mr. Sepherim, don't need religion to do good works. Religion is a convenient justification for most things. Why did you have that child beaten? God told me to. Why did you donate money to that charity? God told me to. The presence of those who use religion for positive change is balanced out or tipped against by those who use it to justify their own bigotry, place of power, and moral convictions. Religion is a tool used to incite deep feelings within people but it is a tool that can and is used to do harm as often if not more often then it is used to do good. Religion is a refuge in audacity, an unassailable moral fortress. You don't have to defend or prove your convictions on their own merits if you can just say that God told you to take that position. Overall, I feel it does more harm then good.

Now, to prevent further derailing, I'm hoping to summon Verin to this thread, because I am still rather confused by things. What exactly is the technical definition of Caldari, and who does and does not qualify for that title? I was told the other day, by both Stitcher and I believe you Tuulinen-haan, that the technical definition was "a state citizen, who has blood traceable to Caldari Prime" that was given to me as the exact definition of what it meant to be Caldari. That in and of itself seems very simple, and Korsavius-haan will never qualify for that title.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-12-19 18:35:54 UTC
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
For example, marriages between Civire and Deteis often race institutional reluctance.


I've never come across the attitude.

From what I've seen the main thing stopping Civire/Deteis from pairing off is simply a lack of physical attraction.


How strange would it be if, alone among the stars, Civire and Deteis only found their own race attractive? I know that I, personally, find the traits of many of the Cluster's races to be admirable. Minmatar, Amarrian, Gallentean - why could I find things in those races that attracted me and not find something in the Deteis?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#20 - 2012-12-19 19:36:54 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Everything you write should have a central idea and evidence that supports the idea.
or Ms. Vea, schoolmarm, will slap your wrist with a ruler!

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

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