Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We have the 24hr skill que
We get unassigned SP when a skill is axed or there is a horribly long DT

why can't we simply accumulate unassigned SP once the que runs out?

pro reasons--
when I can't log in, massive power-failure, disaster family emergency etc, I blame CCP for the SP loss
when I forget to log in, I blame myself AND CCP (mad gamers are usually a bad thing)
Instead of feeling neurotic about checking eve-mon or logging in when the API is dead, I relax a bit in the knowledge I am still earning SP (perhaps at a sub-optimal rate) but earning them just the same.

Cons--
CCP clearly wants us in the game more than out, players seem determined to not to care.


I personally logged less than 20 hours total this past summer, taking a sabbatical from Eve... That I feel compelled to use the term sabbatical in relation to Eve, still means that it is often more work than fun. Missing SP for all the various reasons is just one of those small things that makes Eve suck , even earning skills at half speed would be preferred over zero. I know this breaks some eve lore, and the skills are usually easy enough to keep ahead, but the happier we are and the less annoying the game is, the more likely we will log in anyway just to do stuff solo or with friends.

P.S. no I didn't miss much but I did recently lose a day of training on another toon because I was out of town and unable to get it fixed till several hours after I got home, but logged into the test server today where I had a pile of un-allocated SP, and this proposal just seemed obvious.

he has a point. but i would like to beable to choose still be gaining SP while not learning skills (active but just no skill chosen) cause i may be satisfied with what i currently have but havnt planned what i want to do next.

It certainly does, corpie dropped off the grid (apparently quite literally for 3 months) while subed, came back and felt a bit burned for having lost so much time. I think he's still sorting out if he wants to continue or give up.

As to the overwhelming power of unassigned SP, I think that is overblown, very few will have the patience to pay for a toon and just let them accumulate SP at a reduced rate. For example eve-mon tells me I'm earning 2700/hr with +5 implants and my attributes re-mapped for optimum learning.
Since CCP has no idea what skill you might chose or when you might re-map, the lowest sp gain with +5 implants is around
1980/hr (both attributes are 17+5) but lets go even lower, and remove the implants and that puts training at 1530/hr that 1530 is the starting point for all unbonused toons, so the default rate for unallocated SP gain should be around 1000-900/hr. That gives me some SP for time missed, but strongly discourages the buildup of SP for future use. And like the test server there should be a cap at 2mil SP so it isn't abused.

some examples: with Gallente Industrial 5 1,023,000 sp from lvl 1 to lvl 5
with optimized attributes +5 (13 days)
with +5 only (17 days)
no bonuses (22 days)
with no skill at 1000/hr (42 days)

it only gets worse with cap skills and other long train skills. I think the reduction to almost 1/3 of optimal (2700) and 66% of least optimal (1530) as well as a SP cap of 2 mil SP should be a good deterrent to any abuse.


I couldn't agree more, my missed time probably amounts to a couple of weeks over the life of this toon, but this seems like such a simple solution to a problem that no doubt has caused quite a bit of subscriber loss, tears and other problems that fixing it would make life a little easier for everyone from noobs to bittervets and be good for the game overall because more happy spaceships is better than fewer bitter angry ones. (for the game not pvp, in pvp give me the bittervets )

So, if your ISP screws up and your net is down, its CCPs fault?
If your power cuts out, its CCPs fault?
If one of your family is in a car accident, its CCPs fault?
What the hell have you been smoking?

Why should our characters gain SP with zero interaction from us? If your not getting online for a while, put a long skill in, like a racial BS 5 or something similar. If you can't get on then tough, we all have the same limitations. I've had access issues and I've lost a day or two worth of training over the last year. It's not the end of the world. If your on a sabbatical from the game, and your really that bothered if you have to log in for 30 seconds once a month for a skill que change, then unsub.

I think I have a better take on this. Accumulating SP would be bad because it removes the reason for remaps and attribute points and by extension implants.

Accumulation of training time however, would work. Every skill has a "time remaining" in addition to SP remaining. This would not break the game as we know it, unless I forgot something.

Having a bigger skill queue would do no harm... is not that it would give any advantages at all... the training time would still be the same... the only thing is that we would have no skill penality when real life tightens up preventing we to log....

At first glance, I thought: NO:
But now I think this idea is worth consideration.

An idea to determine the amount:
whenever Skill Queue is empty, a character gains unassigned skill points at a rate according to his WORST attributes.
That way, whichever skills I buy with the unassigned SP, I could not be faster than when I had actively managed my skill queue.
Example (without implants)
I have remapped to PER 27/WILL 21 -> worst attributes are 17 -> 1530 unassigned SP/hour.
I have not remapped -> worst attributes are 19 -> 1710 unassigned SP/hour.
Ofc only the character on the account that last trained a skill would be affected.

So you also have a sort of an "easy-mode" for new characters/players who have not remapped yet and buy skills only from unassigned skill points.

No. You pay for access to the Eve online servers and use of the client to do so. What you do with your access is down to you.

The queue gives you a 24 hour window in which to log in and change/add a skill. But the actual running time of the skill queue can range from hours, to weeks.

What you are asking for, will mean you gain an advantage for not logging in and the skill queue ending. I'm sorry but I don't see that as balance, in anyone's book.

I've not had time to play Eve, for well over a year now. In that time, I've continued to play and not miss one hour of skill training time. Thanks to the new and wonderful skill queue. It works, does what needs to be done and doesn't mean I can simply walk away without consequences.