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Why do most afk while mining?

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Garrison Woods
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-12-19 01:11:50 UTC
Zeko Rena wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I am actually kind of confused because you seem to want mining removed from the game


No-one (at least not among the New Order that I know of) wants mining removed from the game. We want highsec miners to mine with a Permit - like a human - instead of pretending to be bots all day.



Perhaps I have taken Garrison's first post the wrong way.

The way I read it is he was saying that Mining is a style of game play that you can be as dumb as a bot to do and as such should be removed from the game.

If you were refering to removing only bots as such and keeping mining then I apologise Garrison. I would be all for that, because at the end of the day I would love bots to be removed entierly, because they are taking precious ore that I spent my own time trying to mine and I have to compete with them...

There still seem to be a lot of bots out there as well, with the amount of ganks I see and yet the player who got ganked does not respond in anyway when the ganker taunts them in local after.

I would fully support some form of permit system if it meant the end of actual bots in EVE, as long as it isn't game breaking


No need to apologize. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. As Lin stated, code-compliant human miners are fine with me, and they are set blue with the New Order upon purchase of a mining permit. What I dislike are straight up bots and folks who think this game is a mining simulator and who feel they should be immune to non consensual interaction. I find these types of players detestable and an affront to everything that makes Eve great.

I don't in any way want mining removed from the game. What I actually would like to see is more code compliant good citizens mining attentively and judiciously, and less whiny entitled muppets who spout off about the EULA every time you so much as look at them. Also dead bots, lots and lots of dead bots.

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec
AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#122 - 2012-12-19 01:15:27 UTC
Garrison Woods wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I am actually kind of confused because you seem to want mining removed from the game


No-one (at least not among the New Order that I know of) wants mining removed from the game. We want highsec miners to mine with a Permit - like a human - instead of pretending to be bots all day.



Perhaps I have taken Garrison's first post the wrong way.

The way I read it is he was saying that Mining is a style of game play that you can be as dumb as a bot to do and as such should be removed from the game.

If you were refering to removing only bots as such and keeping mining then I apologise Garrison. I would be all for that, because at the end of the day I would love bots to be removed entierly, because they are taking precious ore that I spent my own time trying to mine and I have to compete with them...

There still seem to be a lot of bots out there as well, with the amount of ganks I see and yet the player who got ganked does not respond in anyway when the ganker taunts them in local after.

I would fully support some form of permit system if it meant the end of actual bots in EVE, as long as it isn't game breaking


No need to apologize. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. As Lin stated, code-compliant human miners are fine with me, and they are set blue with the New Order upon purchase of a mining permit. What I dislike are straight up bots and folks who think this game is a mining simulator and who feel they should be immune to non consensual interaction. I find these types of players detestable and an affront to everything that makes Eve great.

I don't in any way want mining removed from the game. What I actually would like to see is more code compliant good citizens mining attentively and judiciously, and less whiny entitled muppets who spout off about the EULA every time you so much as look at them. Also dead bots, lots and lots of dead bots.

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec



Sooo...how much are these mining permits, now?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#123 - 2012-12-19 01:17:37 UTC
AstraPardus wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I am actually kind of confused because you seem to want mining removed from the game


No-one (at least not among the New Order that I know of) wants mining removed from the game. We want highsec miners to mine with a Permit - like a human - instead of pretending to be bots all day.



Oh, I get it...I don't get a snappy comeback because I use my alt to AFK mine in NULLSEC, and you guys are too afraid to go there? AmIrite?


If you look at who some of the guys doing the ganking are, you'll find a lot of them are no strangers to nullsec, so nope, you're quite wrong.

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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#124 - 2012-12-19 01:24:02 UTC
Garrison Woods wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I am actually kind of confused because you seem to want mining removed from the game


No-one (at least not among the New Order that I know of) wants mining removed from the game. We want highsec miners to mine with a Permit - like a human - instead of pretending to be bots all day.



Perhaps I have taken Garrison's first post the wrong way.

The way I read it is he was saying that Mining is a style of game play that you can be as dumb as a bot to do and as such should be removed from the game.

If you were refering to removing only bots as such and keeping mining then I apologise Garrison. I would be all for that, because at the end of the day I would love bots to be removed entierly, because they are taking precious ore that I spent my own time trying to mine and I have to compete with them...

There still seem to be a lot of bots out there as well, with the amount of ganks I see and yet the player who got ganked does not respond in anyway when the ganker taunts them in local after.

I would fully support some form of permit system if it meant the end of actual bots in EVE, as long as it isn't game breaking


No need to apologize. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. As Lin stated, code-compliant human miners are fine with me, and they are set blue with the New Order upon purchase of a mining permit. What I dislike are straight up bots and folks who think this game is a mining simulator and who feel they should be immune to non consensual interaction. I find these types of players detestable and an affront to everything that makes Eve great.

I don't in any way want mining removed from the game. What I actually would like to see is more code compliant good citizens mining attentively and judiciously, and less whiny entitled muppets who spout off about the EULA every time you so much as look at them. Also dead bots, lots and lots of dead bots.

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec


Oh in that case I agree fully with what you say, bots in any game slowly destroy the core of what makes the game great, I also like the sound of your mining permit idea, did not know such ideas existed within EvE, most people I see ganking miners do it because they can and don't often care if they are botting or activly there.

In that case I salute "Knights of the New Order of Hi-Sec"
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AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#125 - 2012-12-19 01:34:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
AstraPardus wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I am actually kind of confused because you seem to want mining removed from the game


No-one (at least not among the New Order that I know of) wants mining removed from the game. We want highsec miners to mine with a Permit - like a human - instead of pretending to be bots all day.



Oh, I get it...I don't get a snappy comeback because I use my alt to AFK mine in NULLSEC, and you guys are too afraid to go there? AmIrite?


If you look at who some of the guys doing the ganking are, you'll find a lot of them are no strangers to nullsec, so nope, you're quite wrong.


All I'm looking for is proof to debunk me, you're giving me nothing to go on. So, you get conjecture. :3
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#126 - 2012-12-19 03:04:16 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Turn of auto-repeat?! Do you guys sell bots for EVE or just hate life?


Because making mining something were you have to pay attention will suddenly turn all miners into bots? That's quite possibly the stupidest things I've ever read on these forums.

Just because some people bot doesn't mean every afk miner will put up money and become a botter. Jesus, are you so bitter that you can't actually believe people sit and play eve while mining ore in a belt?

If I were to overly hauler mining. I would do the following.

Turn of Mining laser auto repeat.
Remove the Highest yielding asteroids from 0.6 and above.
Remove Kernite and Omber from high sec
Limit all Ice Rocks to 250Km3 in high sec.
Make Isogen Losec only

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Dave stark
#127 - 2012-12-19 08:48:15 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Turn of auto-repeat?! Do you guys sell bots for EVE or just hate life?


Because making mining something were you have to pay attention will suddenly turn all miners into bots? That's quite possibly the stupidest things I've ever read on these forums.

Just because some people bot doesn't mean every afk miner will put up money and become a botter. Jesus, are you so bitter that you can't actually believe people sit and play eve while mining ore in a belt?

If I were to overly hauler mining. I would do the following.

Turn of Mining laser auto repeat.
Remove the Highest yielding asteroids from 0.6 and above.
Remove Kernite and Omber from high sec
Limit all Ice Rocks to 250Km3 in high sec.
Make Isogen Losec only


i fail to see what issues any of those changes will address.
Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#128 - 2012-12-19 10:05:54 UTC
More afk miners = cheaper ships = more pew pew = more suicide ganking on afk miners, and tadaa a loop is created.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#129 - 2012-12-19 11:04:31 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining.


Yes booring as hell... mayby if they would increase the isks involved in mining it would be more lucrative.

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Dave stark
#130 - 2012-12-19 11:04:53 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Zeko Rena wrote:
I am actually kind of confused because you seem to want mining removed from the game


No-one (at least not among the New Order that I know of) wants mining removed from the game. We want highsec miners to mine with a Permit - like a human - instead of pretending to be bots all day.


define "like a human", please.


Oh boy.


i knew there wouldn't be an answer to that.
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#131 - 2012-12-19 21:38:50 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Because making mining something were you have to pay attention will suddenly turn all miners into bots? That's quite possibly the stupidest things I've ever read on these forums.

Just because some people bot doesn't mean every afk miner will put up money and become a botter. Jesus, are you so bitter that you can't actually believe people sit and play eve while mining ore in a belt?

If I were to overly hauler mining. I would do the following.

Turn of Mining laser auto repeat.
Remove the Highest yielding asteroids from 0.6 and above.
Remove Kernite and Omber from high sec
Limit all Ice Rocks to 250Km3 in high sec.
Make Isogen Losec only


Is italics the new accelerator to cool? Cool

Seriously, I have to ask, are you so bitter that you believe that people don't sit there and play eve while sitting at a belt?

I'm not promoting AFK play. My personal belief is that regardless of your playstyle, if you want to play the game, you should sit down and play the game. I hate bots (spotted one last night. What happened to the Report Bot feature? Or is there only the Report ISK Seller one?), and wish them a quick and fiery death.

That being said, what you're talking about wouldn't change anything:

1. Turn of Mining laser auto repeat - that would only encourage bot play. And it's just dumb. Could we do that to all high slot modules? Including cloaking devices? P
2. Remove the Highest yielding asteroids from 0.6 and above - what does that even mean? High sec asteroids are already pretty anemic, especially compared to their 0.5 and below cousins.
3. Remove Kernite and Omber from high sec - Well, remove Omber. It's useless.
4. Make Isogen Losec only - it wouldn't change anything. People determined to stay in high sec would stay in high sec.

For the record, I mine with 2 hulks and an orca. I am rarely bored. When I mine with others in my corp, my workload only increases.

I am probably more busy playing eve while mining than many of the gatecampers who sit around and do nothing until a target appears and then its 30 seconds of furious activity, then back to sitting around and waiting for a target for who knows how long.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Jan'tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-12-19 22:26:02 UTC
I don't always mine, but when I do my background activity is World of Warcraft, the first and therefore best mmo.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#133 - 2012-12-19 22:52:14 UTC
Not paying attention to EVE while mining is going on is the natural order of things.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
tikiana
Golden Eagle Research Corp
#134 - 2012-12-19 22:57:14 UTC
I really don't understand the hate towards afk miners. Is it because they aren't in low sec so you can shoot them? Is it because you hate to admit that the game needs them?

personally i sit in my hulk with orca support, mining away i have 22k range. I only use t1 strip miners so i don't need to change crystals. So i can jump in to the middle of the belt and clean the whole thing out sometimes i have to move a few ks to get the last few. I just target the next roid and hit it doesn't bother me what it is.

while thats going on, on my secondary monitor I play star wars the old republic on my primary monitor
Dave stark
#135 - 2012-12-19 23:05:45 UTC
tikiana wrote:
I really don't understand the hate towards afk miners. Is it because they aren't in low sec so you can shoot them? Is it because you hate to admit that the game needs them?

personally i sit in my hulk with orca support, mining away i have 22k range. I only use t1 strip miners so i don't need to change crystals. So i can jump in to the middle of the belt and clean the whole thing out sometimes i have to move a few ks to get the last few. I just target the next roid and hit it doesn't bother me what it is.

while thats going on, on my secondary monitor I play star wars the old republic on my primary monitor


use t2 strips with crystals.
you've got to tab back to the game to change asteroids, only takes 2 extra clicks to load a different crystal.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#136 - 2012-12-19 23:41:03 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
tikiana wrote:
I really don't understand the hate towards afk miners. Is it because they aren't in low sec so you can shoot them? Is it because you hate to admit that the game needs them?

personally i sit in my hulk with orca support, mining away i have 22k range. I only use t1 strip miners so i don't need to change crystals. So i can jump in to the middle of the belt and clean the whole thing out sometimes i have to move a few ks to get the last few. I just target the next roid and hit it doesn't bother me what it is.

while thats going on, on my secondary monitor I play star wars the old republic on my primary monitor


use t2 strips with crystals.
you've got to tab back to the game to change asteroids, only takes 2 extra clicks to load a different crystal.

Pretty good advice here.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Katherine Jasmone
#137 - 2012-12-20 05:58:03 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining.


Bro, do you even mine?

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Hannah Flex
#138 - 2012-12-20 06:03:26 UTC
I saw someone in the Help channel today asking if anyone knew of a good "mining timer" a timer he could set to alert him to come back to his computer and move product.

Now thats some engaging PVE right there Roll
Katherine Jasmone
#139 - 2012-12-20 06:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Katherine Jasmone
Garrison Woods wrote:
Afk mine all you want.

Know this though, if I or one my ilk catch you unawares, we will blow up your barge and squish your pod.

Action/consequence, risk/reward and all that stuff. Cool

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec.



If you for one second think that I will pay you for a license to mine you are sorely mistaken. I'd agree to pay into the isk sink in terms of a regional license to the relevant faction. But not ever another player, playing hostage taker of a said region.

You and your minerbumping friends can gtfo.

Carebears, Nullbears and CCP, oh my.
Dave stark
#140 - 2012-12-20 06:07:58 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
I saw someone in the Help channel today asking if anyone knew of a good "mining timer" a timer he could set to alert him to come back to his computer and move product.

Now thats some engaging PVE right there Roll


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