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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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Domineren
Knights Of the Ruined Empire
#521 - 2012-12-11 20:45:38 UTC
Serious Desire wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
It's over now. CCP stealth fixed the third method today with the patch:

"Wars that are now made mutual will always be able to be retracted by the aggressor, even if the war is made non-mutual."

http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp



Update: We're testing this. There is no evidence that this is working as advertised.



Bro, you're truly a moron if you believe CCP is able to fix the BS code they try and write. This isn't fixed. If anything, they probably made it worse.

Dont you know? CCP= Cant Code Properly

Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....

Ex-Rebirth....and miner.  Fight me.
AnzacPaul
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#522 - 2012-12-12 20:52:56 UTC
Still not fixed

From: CONCORD
Sent: 2012.12.12 20:42

Invictus Australis has declared war on Dec Shield Ambassador 27.0.
Fighting can legally occur between those involved.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#523 - 2012-12-12 20:57:21 UTC
No. It's still fixed. I just made a mistake by letting a couple alliance escape early by toggling the mutuality thing before I brought Allies into the war to shoot you. I restored those wars using a dropped corp, hence why you had retracted against us, and then magically were back at war again today. I found it amusing, but it's only delaying the inevitable. All our wars end on the 18th.

The dropped corp's wars are ending on the 18th as well. You can verify that from the bills your corp has received. Still fixed, you'll all be free on the 18th

Burn Highsec Griefers
AnzacPaul
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#524 - 2012-12-12 21:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: AnzacPaul
Well played
Art Gallery
Doomheim
#525 - 2012-12-12 23:09:10 UTC
Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#526 - 2012-12-13 03:54:40 UTC
Art Gallery wrote:
Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs?

No one yet and maybe if you undocked...
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#527 - 2012-12-13 03:57:03 UTC
Art Gallery wrote:
Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs?


Probably because you're in an NPC corp. They don't have wars.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#528 - 2012-12-13 04:00:37 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Art Gallery wrote:
Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs?


Probably because you're in an NPC corp. They don't have wars.

Ooh good point.
That might just be her main.

Also what will you do now that people no longer require proxies to deal with Dec Shield?
Just dec all the corps anyways?
Art Gallery
Doomheim
#529 - 2012-12-13 06:28:45 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Art Gallery wrote:
Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs?


Probably because you're in an NPC corp. They don't have wars.

Ooh good point.
That might just be her main.

Also what will you do now that people no longer require proxies to deal with Dec Shield?
Just dec all the corps anyways?


People dont need proxies to deal with Dec Shield.
Hinsty David
Doomheim
#530 - 2012-12-13 15:37:46 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Art Gallery wrote:
Who pays the bills? And why do I never see any WTs?


Probably because you're in an NPC corp. They don't have wars.

Ooh good point.
That might just be her main.

Also what will you do now that people no longer require proxies to deal with Dec Shield?
Just dec all the corps anyways?


Sounds like someone gets all their info off this forum.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#531 - 2012-12-18 05:58:20 UTC
So it's still glitched for us. We are unable to retract the mutual war. Love the broken.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad
#532 - 2012-12-18 06:02:19 UTC
The bill timers finally ran out, all of our decs are ending EXCEPT dec shield, which they declared mutual earlier today somehow, and I can't make it non-mutual now.

PIZZA CEO
Arame Azur
Eat My Shorts Inc.
Almost Competent
#533 - 2012-12-18 07:04:41 UTC
Yes there is still a bug in the Warmechanic. If the defender set the war mutual, the attacker must wait until the next downtime to retract the mutual war.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#534 - 2012-12-18 23:42:10 UTC
Arame Azur wrote:
Yes there is still a bug in the Warmechanic. If the defender set the war mutual, the attacker must wait until the next downtime to retract the mutual war.

ya, we discovered that a few days ago and reported it to them, but no word back. I'm calculating the current stats now, but it looks like 115 wars have been retracted in the last 24hrs

Burn Highsec Griefers
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#535 - 2012-12-19 00:49:55 UTC
Arame Azur wrote:
Yes there is still a bug in the Warmechanic. If the defender set the war mutual, the attacker must wait until the next downtime to retract the mutual war.

Doesnt sound like a bug so much.
Corp roles and other things have to wait until downtime, so this probably is just one of them.

Oh and RIP Dec Shield.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#536 - 2012-12-19 01:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: The Zerg Overmind
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#537 - 2012-12-19 02:54:51 UTC
What happened October 18th?
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#538 - 2012-12-19 03:00:49 UTC
Oct 5th was Eve Vegas
October 18th was the acquisition of RvB
November 20th was acquisition of RED.Overlord and Northern Coalition
December 6th, GMs set RvB - Red Federation free
December 11th, CCP releases patch to close last exploit. I restore all dropped wars using a dropped corp
December 18th, all wars set to end, I set mutual to see who's willing to stick around, mass exodus

Burn Highsec Griefers
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#539 - 2012-12-19 06:32:33 UTC
So mission accomplished I guess?

What will be your next target in forcing CCP to fix broken game mechanics? :)
Ronan Connor
#540 - 2012-12-19 12:35:45 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
So mission accomplished I guess?

What will be your next target in forcing CCP to fix broken game mechanics? :)


Allthough some of you cant hear it anymore, I would be for bounties. Though it was a great idea, one has to admit there is alot of missuse, like every freighter in 4-4 gets one, blackmailing of noobs, bounties without a reason on positive sec standing...

The only way I see CCP is fixing the missuse in the very next future, is to go where it hurts them.

Put a bounty on noobs in starting areas. It doesnt need to be very high. I know it is a harsh measure, but I cant see any other way to make CCP see sense and fix the ideas of bounties.
What we see now is, that innocent player and innocent corps get bounties. Some of the player accept it, but even some older player feel like they are perma wardecced, which is somewhat similar to the dec shield. Anyway, this leads that people are afraid partially to go out there and play the game they pay for.

My suggestions would be:

1) Bounties are only valid in Null Sec, Low Sec and Wormholes
2) Bounties in High Sec are only valid during a War Dec, with a negative sec standing or with a kill right on you. Otherwise they wont even show up, while you are in High sec. A kill right would be valid as long the bounty value is not payed out 100% but the amount of the bounty cant be higher as the (both) kill mails i.e. 250 misk loss for a miner with implants mean 250 misk max. bounty on the kill right.
--> as a bonus for you C&P guys, this would mean can flipping in high sec doesnt give kill rights anymore.
3) Maybe bounties could be paid out as well in 0.5 and 0.6 systems. But then as a semi low sec the income there must be raised of course to match risk vs. the then too low income there. (Rats give more, more LP like 15.000 for a lvl 4 etc).

This is the most eminent broken game mechanic, as it endangers CCP's income, even without action from our side.