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Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-18 15:17:01 UTC
Last I remembered, we were gonna get these with Retribution. But, I'd nearly forgetten about them and had not heard anyone else speak of them recently.

What happened? Where'd they go?

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#2 - 2012-12-18 15:20:25 UTC
The null bears ate them

nom nom
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-18 15:35:05 UTC
Not to mention all the other upgrades CCP said we were getting. More production slots, better economic benefits, etc. I noticed that they took the feedback threads in F&I down even though the changes didn't go in. That's always an ominous sign.
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#4 - 2012-12-18 15:45:00 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
Not to mention all the other upgrades CCP said we were getting. More production slots, better economic benefits, etc. I noticed that they took the feedback threads in F&I down even though the changes didn't go in. That's always an ominous sign.


And Blobcats didn't get their monument in Nennamaila. Outrageous!
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2012-12-19 00:08:10 UTC
Whatsamatter Smo.. Ye scurred of someone?? ;)
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#6 - 2012-12-19 04:31:01 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
Not to mention all the other upgrades CCP said we were getting. More production slots, better economic benefits, etc. I noticed that they took the feedback threads in F&I down even though the changes didn't go in. That's always an ominous sign.


Other changes were stopped last minute too.

Lots of people set up for indy in low sec and then nothing happened.

They made a nice mineral exploit for the cruiser changes and gave/'leaked' a spreadsheet containing the new ore requirements to certain null sec powers.

They only reversed the massive ore changes for cruisers when the document was leaked to the rest of the player base.
Basically - Any Osprey built before the patch was going to reprocess into DOUBLE the ore after the patch.
The other cruisers would have averaged maybe 60-70% extra ore upon reprocessing. Ospreys were being built in massive quantities all over eve.

Nice to have inside info hey.....
Now you all know why almost every manufacture slot in eve filled up a few weeks ago - even in systems that no one ever manufactures in there were cruisers being pumped out.


I presume the same null power is the reason we didn't get our indy buff.
They didn't approve of CCP giving low sec players a manufacturing advantage over them - so it didn't happen.

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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-19 04:58:50 UTC
real shame. more indy in low sec would really help all of eve. and fw as well.

and if the stories are true. it shows that a few gms and devs are still playing eve and serious about the sov map. that or old habits die hard and are trying to help
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-19 06:02:56 UTC
I'm chalking it up to development schedules and certain planned features getting pushed back for the sake of having everything else polished and ready.

But dev input on the matter would be nice.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#9 - 2012-12-19 07:30:30 UTC
I should have mentioned in my previous post:

There is also the chance that the spreadsheet was a fake in an attempt to waste massive amounts of time and resources.
If it was fake - it worked quite well.




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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-12-19 11:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
IbanezLaney wrote:
They only reversed the massive ore changes for cruisers when the document was leaked to the rest of the player base.
Basically - Any Osprey built before the patch was going to reprocess into DOUBLE the ore after the patch.
The other cruisers would have averaged maybe 60-70% extra ore upon reprocessing. Ospreys were being built in massive quantities all over eve.

"I slept through the frigate tiericide and am completely clueless but that doesn't stop me from commenting."

CCP did exactly the same thing they did with cruisers with most frigates several months ago - including an increase of mineral requirements and the introduction of extra materials that are not refunded on reprocessing.

Everybody with half a brain knew that the mineral cost of cruisers would very likely go up just as happened with frigates even before the changes made their way to the test server and nobody in their right mind would have expected to reprocess cruisers because CCP had already plugged that loophole when they rebalanced frigates.

But some imbeciles prefer to believe in magic, bad luck and leaked spreadsheets as an explanation for why they missed out on a massive opportunity to profit - rather than just looking into the mirror for a moment or two.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#11 - 2012-12-19 13:03:07 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
They only reversed the massive ore changes for cruisers when the document was leaked to the rest of the player base.
Basically - Any Osprey built before the patch was going to reprocess into DOUBLE the ore after the patch.
The other cruisers would have averaged maybe 60-70% extra ore upon reprocessing. Ospreys were being built in massive quantities all over eve.

"I slept through the frigate tiericide and am completely clueless but that doesn't stop me from commenting."

CCP did exactly the same thing they did with cruisers with most frigates several months ago - including an increase of mineral requirements and the introduction of extra materials that are not refunded on reprocessing.

Everybody with half a brain knew that the mineral cost of cruisers would very likely go up just as happened with frigates even before the changes made their way to the test server and nobody in their right mind would have expected to reprocess cruisers because CCP had already plugged that loophole when they rebalanced frigates.

But some imbeciles prefer to believe in magic, bad luck and leaked spreadsheets as an explanation for why they missed out on a massive opportunity to profit - rather than just looking into the mirror for a moment or two.




Just saying what happened. A lot of people built a tonne of cruisers.
I didn't build any so if you think I am complaining then you have misinterpreted my post - I just posted about what some players were taking part in leading up to the update.

You also must have missed my post a few after where I said it was also possible the spreadsheet was a fake.

But some imbeciles prefer to magically believe their own assumptions when in reality they do not have a clue what they are talking about.
Seems like you will be the one looking into the mirror for a while....




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Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-21 18:25:35 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

They only reversed the massive ore changes for cruisers when the document was leaked to the rest of the player base.
Basically - Any Osprey built before the patch was going to reprocess into DOUBLE the ore after the patch.
The other cruisers would have averaged maybe 60-70% extra ore upon reprocessing. Ospreys were being built in massive quantities all over eve.

Nice to have inside info hey.....
Now you all know why almost every manufacture slot in eve filled up a few weeks ago - even in systems that no one ever manufactures in there were cruisers being pumped out.


I presume the same null power is the reason we didn't get our indy buff.
They didn't approve of CCP giving low sec players a manufacturing advantage over them - so it didn't happen.



What are you talking about exactly? The new build requirements for all the refactored ships (barges, frigates, cruisers) as well as the new prices for their respective BPOs was ALL available on the test server months before Retribution.

Anyway, sad to see the jammers were dropped last second. I was very interested them as more tools for space combat the better!
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-12-22 01:18:49 UTC
No to cyno jammers in losec its npc space your are in the militia you dont own it

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
ItsmeHcK1
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2012-12-22 01:21:29 UTC
Am I the only one to notice the irony in Shadows of the Blobberation asking for cyno jammers?

<3
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#15 - 2012-12-22 01:42:40 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
No to cyno jammers in losec its npc space your are in the militia you dont own it


Actually, their Militia owns that space, they are in the militia. So in line with that, they should be able to deploy cyno jammers much like those who claim sov in nullsec.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-12-22 02:00:52 UTC
Not realy

they are in the militia and dont own the militia

just becouse npc malitia is on top of the system dont mean they own it they might have tempry sov but absalutly no controll over it

take our home for exsample we controll it not caldari or gallante and it only flips when they ninja it when we offline or out on the lash

So what gives a corp or a npc militia member the right to put a cyno jammer in my home when they wont fight for control of it

Its npc space not yours not mine not anyones

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
David Devant
CTRL-Q
#17 - 2012-12-22 07:43:24 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
Not realy

they are in the militia and dont own the militia

just becouse npc malitia is on top of the system dont mean they own it they might have tempry sov but absalutly no controll over it

take our home for exsample we controll it not caldari or gallante and it only flips when they ninja it when we offline or out on the lash

So what gives a corp or a npc militia member the right to put a cyno jammer in my home when they wont fight for control of it

Its npc space not yours not mine not anyones


The problem is that the system is not sensitive enough to register what entity exactly has claimed a system. If Cyno jammers could only be deployed depending on what a corp had put into the occupancy mechanics for that system/constellation then they would have fought for control of it. Snuff Box could defend their space on this principle also.

Given that they were 100mil a shot and deployed for 1 hour at a time the wouldn't have made any difference anyway. Can see why Snufff and SC would be concerned about such a thread given the recent Titan bridge backlash on this forum, however the really exciting application for jammers would be as a buffer to null influence on low sec resources.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-12-22 08:57:56 UTC
ItsmeHcK1 wrote:
Am I the only one to notice the irony in Shadows of the Blobberation asking for cyno jammers?

<3


No irony. Physco already figure it out, we just want to grief snuff with them. Because that's really all we live for any more, annoying snuff. Big smile
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-12-24 15:34:30 UTC
David Devant wrote:
psycho freak wrote:
Not realy

they are in the militia and dont own the militia

just becouse npc malitia is on top of the system dont mean they own it they might have tempry sov but absalutly no controll over it

take our home for exsample we controll it not caldari or gallante and it only flips when they ninja it when we offline or out on the lash

So what gives a corp or a npc militia member the right to put a cyno jammer in my home when they wont fight for control of it

Its npc space not yours not mine not anyones


The problem is that the system is not sensitive enough to register what entity exactly has claimed a system. If Cyno jammers could only be deployed depending on what a corp had put into the occupancy mechanics for that system/constellation then they would have fought for control of it. Snuff Box could defend their space on this principle also.

Given that they were 100mil a shot and deployed for 1 hour at a time the wouldn't have made any difference anyway. Can see why Snufff and SC would be concerned about such a thread given the recent Titan bridge backlash on this forum, however the really exciting application for jammers would be as a buffer to null influence on low sec resources.


why would we want to stop cyno's then be no escalations

also why should a fw corp be alowd and not a npc fw member both are jsut the same

cyno's in lo-sec is bad idea tbh not jsut for ppl who live there but for randoms who jump caps through when moveing and stuff

its npc space and shouldnt have cyno jammers no matter what same as cant cyno jam npc 0.0

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#20 - 2012-12-25 04:28:42 UTC
Pretty sure that cyno jammers would have resulted in blap dreads proliferating under an umbrella of titan and hotdrop proofishness. This would have seen massive amounts of POSs on all the choicest moons being flipped to the militia hands and not far-distant nullsec powers, who couldn't defend them with overwhelming numbers of supers or capitals.

I'm pretty sure CCP had a rethink on POSageddon (FW Lowsec Edition) and decided that it favoured the defender too much and the militia too much.

Sad. I was all set to buy a bunch of Dreads.

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