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Why dont you just quit I think EVE would be a better place without bitter players like youreself. You are the type of guy who eats half a steak then complains at the resturant that it tasted bad and you want a refund.I can sum up all these posts about the inballances of high sec and null sec in one statement. "There arent enough players for us to shoot at in null so we need to change things."

This is THE perfect example of something i've been talking about for a long time.

James post the incredibly reasonable "it's not about me, it's about the game we share, and the current status quo is wrong even if some of us do benefit from it".

And like clock work here comes someone claiming he's just bitter and "wants more people to shoot at in null".

I now name this the High Sec Reflex, because that's just what it is, a reflexive need to dismiss a coherent and reasonable argument simply because it doesn't cater to the high sec player's narrow interests.

It's sad an amazing to watch, it's almost like making sense and thinking about the game and it's community as a whole is Kryptonite to some of kind to these high sec folks.

Any significant nerf again to playbase income will result in unsubs. You think incarna was baad?? So let me get thus striaght nullsec pukes destroy gameplay in 0.0 with their drama and now. They want to do the same with theirr codshit to empire

It's not for my personal profit, but for the game we share and the current status quo is wrong even if some of us do benefit from it - so can i have your stuff?

I mean you MUST be compelled by my incredibly credible reasoning, right? So do it.

Also: Wanting to do the right thing does in no way result in doing the right thing.

To the OP..
Whose high sec income are you proposing to halve .. and exactly how do you only ensure they are targeted..

Whilst this is an alt ... primarily for forum posting .. I make most of my income by invention and building stuff..
I have exactly no idea who buys it .. it might go to high sec mission runners, it might go to high sec ankers, it might go to low sec pirates, or it might go to traders either shipping to or buying for null sec ..
whether the population is based in high sec, low sec, or null, it's going to make little difference.. people will stil come to high sec to trade .. thats both to buy stuff made in high sec, and to sell stuff thats not available (like moon goo).

as long as I can make stuff at a profit ( which includes running a POS) then it's not going to make any difference to my income..

I could say the same thing about you.

That's exactly what i meant to say.



Err no. It's not that i can't see it "because [i am] too biased and have too many narrow interests to be honest about the issue" (you don't know my style of play, do you?) but because i firmly believe that NO amount of nerfing incomes will EVER drive risk averse people out of high-sec. None. Ever.

They may whine, they may unsub. But they will not play a game that forces them to do stuff they don't enjoy.

That reasoning is why i don't buy into "buff null!!11" or "nerf high!" for that matter.

highsec is fine as it is, working as intended.

We also KNOW what happens when you just "nerf hi sec".
The more you nerf it the more ISK faucets become pointless. From "ISK per hour" people switch to pure "value per hour" , where value is not strictly = ISK any more.

I.e. doing missions is slowly stopping being worth doing. I do more with a very low, low, LOW commitment mix of PI, BPC copying, mining, swing trading. 20 minutes a day tops (not mining) and I make about double what a fairly committed L4 missioneer with pimp boat could do with long sessions.

What do those things have in common? That they take me out of the game, i.e. less and less interactions with the other players happen.
Their combined income physically make being in game a thing of the past, which is terrible.

What also do those things cause? That ISK is almost a redundant concept, they require basically none, no effort, all the ISK farming gets shifted on the shoulders of somebody else's.
They also require little training, little to no skill books. Basically it's a destruction of a lot of reasons that keep people attached to the game.

What finally, do those things cause? That ISK becoming unimportant means you can't nerf them enough, ever and when you do, you nerf everybody in every sec in the same way.

To see the whole stuff in action it's not even needed to watch at me earning lots of billions without basically doing anything.
Just look at what happens if you nerf say L4 for the 7th time, by 50%.

Suddenly mining strongly competes with it and you can't do anything about that, everybody turn into bot-like AFK guys earning more (because mining scales much better with multi-accounts). ISK lost value and got replaced by the value of making income with no effort, value of safety, value of scalability.

You might think: "let's also nerf hi sec mining then", but what happens is that now it's null sec that became ISK bound, so the negative impact will anyway hit them. Plus trit hauling and logistics will still be the same torture it's today, and going bigger on their shoulders.

All of this assuming nobody in hi sec will quit, I bet once everybody are just better mining the game will quickly turn into a pile of unfun crap on them.

Even removing mining from hi sec will just activate the next best feature and they are all passive and not active play requiring and thus lead to big boredom and ultimately to quitting.

You will then be back to your precious 2005 times and celebrating your 20k concurrent players online during a Christmas new expansion week end.

But hey, go on and sweat for me and my passive income with your efforts, that will make you so proud.

Incursions (which are mostly done in high sec) got nerfed, subs didn't drop, CCP took lvl5s out, subs didn't drop. You have no reason to believe what you are clinging to.


And again, the past has proved these kind of (self-serving) doom/gloom predictions to be wholly and totally incorrect. The ONLY thing that ever cause a really massive unsub and concurrent user drop was monoclegate. I've never bothered to think that if I don't get my way, so many other people will unsub or fail to login lol, because that's not very smart.

This is why CCP (rightfully it turns out) says "watch what players do, rather than what they say", because like you they SAY one thing but at the end of the day, they don't quit, they adapt. If your thinking was rational (and requiring evidence) rather than emotional, you'd see the truth.

They were done by a minuscule minority and mostly it was alts of min maxing null seccers. No surprise playerbase did not drop, they just switched to the next thing.

Now, hit some mainstream game play that involves more players and less alts.




I don't see truths, I see numbers.
Do some simple math about halving L4 income vs mining income, it does not take a big brain.