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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#141 - 2012-12-18 07:05:12 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
I don't think graphics are going to matter much in EVE as long as the game encourages you to play zoomed out to the point that all you see is boxes and crosses. Or as long as the overview continues to command your attention more than what is being rendered in space. Unfortunately I don't think these things will ever change. CCP has made some changes to try to get more information into space itself, and has worked on the camera recently too... but to clear EVE of UI clutter and get a sense of scale going, along with immersive and visceral combat... its those things that EVE is missing and will never have. You'd have to change the game entirely to get them. EVE has decent visuals, its just the nature of the game prevents it from making the most of them.


the UI clutter is one thing, and no one expect it to be solved as solving that is changing the nature of EVE , and no one want that to happen.

For macrobattles, we'll be always be forced into OV- scanner clip clip click and on that distance, EVE automatically unloads the visuals, so visual quality and effects have minimum effect on that.

However, what we can change is improve the situation on common small gang battles to hundred man fleet wars .
Those are definitely doable and the simple act of adding the effects said on initial post will improve the immersiveness immensely without being too taxing on performance.
For that we'll be adding what EVE lacked and ultimately , make it a better game.

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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#142 - 2012-12-18 07:09:12 UTC
People here talk like better graphical effects and performance are something that are mutually exclusive. It's just a matter of three factors:

1. Your hardware.
2. Game optimization.
3. Graphics settings.

You can affect 1 and 3 yourself and CCP can affect 2.

Don't make the rest of us suffer if you're running on 2003 hardware and have to run EVE already at all low settings.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-12-18 08:27:46 UTC
You know I'm the one that's going blind here, but I think you should probably get your eyes checked.

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#144 - 2012-12-18 09:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Myriad Blaze
I'm surprised no one posted the link to the March 2005 Black Sun 2 engine tech demo Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwT-gHvRhUk

I love the way how the big ship explodes (towards the end of the vid).
And the idea to show shield effects is really nice, too. And the effect on missile impact and the missile explosions look better than what we have in EVE atm, imho (a matter of taste, I know).
Almost hard to believe it's over 7 years old.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#145 - 2012-12-18 09:08:42 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
I'm surprised no one posted the link to the March 2005 Black Sun 2 engine tech demo Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwT-gHvRhUk

I love the way how the big ship explodes (towards the end of the vid).
And the idea to show shield effects is really nice, too. And the effect on missile impact and the missile explosions look better than what we have in EVE atm, imho (a matter of taste, I know).
Almost hard to believe it's over 7 years old.


well we do have similar explosion effects , but ours is just too rapid and unscaled for ships of larger size.

Secondary explosions rippling through a 40KM long ship in 0.5 second is simply absurd

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Tykari
The Observatory
#146 - 2012-12-18 09:11:28 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
I'm surprised no one posted the link to the March 2005 Black Sun 2 engine tech demo Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwT-gHvRhUk

I love the way how the big ship explodes (towards the end of the vid).
And the idea to show shield effects is really nice, too. And the effect on missile impact and the missile explosions look better than what we have in EVE atm, imho (a matter of taste, I know).
Almost hard to believe it's over 7 years old.


Ah Nexus 2, the Jupiter incident successor that never was. Good game, ships also had a more realistic behaviour in terms of spaceflight (still room for improvement but better than most)

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Archa4 Badasaz
Vangazhi
#147 - 2012-12-18 09:24:33 UTC
I really wish, that if they will update the graphics, they'll not forget about those people who cannot run fancy stuff, or just don't care about graphics, only about performance.
But, of course, there will either be new graphic that my laptop cannot handle OR the graphics won't change and people will ask for it till it does.
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#148 - 2012-12-18 09:46:28 UTC
Have you ever heard the saying "If it aint broke dont fix it" never has its been more appropriate to say that. There are lots fo things in this game that need fixing to make it a more enjoyable experiance for the entire player base. Those things are much much more important than a graphics update.

Also never forget this is an MMO, im sure CCP take metrics of the average EVE players PC and make an effort to cater to that, when they move the bar too high they start to exclude players and shut out potential buisness (think of all the multi boxers) I remember reading info on steams metrics and being shocked by how bad the average steam users pc was.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#149 - 2012-12-18 09:51:38 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Have you ever heard the saying "If it aint broke dont fix it" never has its been more appropriate to say that. There are lots fo things in this game that need fixing to make it a more enjoyable experiance for the entire player base. Those things are much much more important than a graphics update.

Also never forget this is an MMO, im sure CCP take metrics of the average EVE players PC and make an effort to cater to that, when they move the bar too high they start to exclude players and shut out potential buisness (think of all the multi boxers) I remember reading info on steams metrics and being shocked by how bad the average steam users pc was.


A bit misleading your post was
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

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Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#150 - 2012-12-18 09:53:49 UTC
All I know is Caldari ships and Raven especially, need new models. Symmetric ones.

Whatever.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-12-18 09:55:53 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
All I know is Caldari ships and Raven especially, need new models. Symmetric ones.


and preferably , more conventional one instead of have Bricks as ship models.

The corax is a good direction :D

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AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#152 - 2012-12-18 10:01:24 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Have you ever heard the saying "If it aint broke dont fix it" never has its been more appropriate to say that. There are lots fo things in this game that need fixing to make it a more enjoyable experiance for the entire player base. Those things are much much more important than a graphics update.

Also never forget this is an MMO, im sure CCP take metrics of the average EVE players PC and make an effort to cater to that, when they move the bar too high they start to exclude players and shut out potential buisness (think of all the multi boxers) I remember reading info on steams metrics and being shocked by how bad the average steam users pc was.


A bit misleading your post was
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey


Im not sure it was at all misleading, the game still look amazing on full graphics, most people dont have incredible gaming computers and MMO`s make themselves accsesible to largest player base possible. Nothing misleading in what i said
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-12-18 10:05:56 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Have you ever heard the saying "If it aint broke dont fix it" never has its been more appropriate to say that. There are lots fo things in this game that need fixing to make it a more enjoyable experiance for the entire player base. Those things are much much more important than a graphics update.

Also never forget this is an MMO, im sure CCP take metrics of the average EVE players PC and make an effort to cater to that, when they move the bar too high they start to exclude players and shut out potential buisness (think of all the multi boxers) I remember reading info on steams metrics and being shocked by how bad the average steam users pc was.


A bit misleading your post was
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey


Im not sure it was at all misleading, the game still look amazing on full graphics, most people dont have incredible gaming computers and MMO`s make themselves accsesible to largest player base possible. Nothing misleading in what i said


Look at the steam statistics I now included in the front page and look at the generalized trend ,see what the majority is on ,and then return.

On a side note, its not amazing ,its alright .

Eve isn't known for having jaw dropping graphics . but we can change that

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-12-18 10:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Ivy Romanova wrote:

Look at the steam statistics I now included in the front page and look at the generalized trend ,see what the majority is on ,and then return.

On a side note, its not amazing ,its alright .

Eve isn't known for having jaw dropping graphics . but we can change that

interesting how two people can look at the same data and come to completely different conclusions - I look at the list of video cards and I see an awful lot of Intel's integrated graphics chipsets, many mobile chipsets and a surprising amount of incredibly old gfx cards (2 GeForce 9 Series cards in the top 10, a 2006 card - GeForce 8600 - on spot 23).

Now, pretty much anything could hide in the 35% "Other[s]" but based on that list my overall impression is that PC gamers have much worse hardware than I would have expected (and we aren't even talking about the "facebook games only" crowd at this point, these are actual gamers who were serious enough to search for and find Steam)

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-12-18 10:29:09 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:

Look at the steam statistics I now included in the front page and look at the generalized trend ,see what the majority is on ,and then return.

On a side note, its not amazing ,its alright .

Eve isn't known for having jaw dropping graphics . but we can change that

interesting how two people can look at the same data and come to completely different conclusions - I look at the list of video cards and I see an awful lot of Intel's integrated graphics chipsets, many mobile chipsets and a surprising amount of incredibly old gfx cards (2 GeForce 9 Series cards in the top 10, a 2006 card - GeForce 8600 - on spot 23).

Now, pretty much anything could hide in the 35% "Other[s]" but based on that list my overall impression is that PC gamers have much worse hardware than I would have expected (and we aren't even talking about the "facebook games only" crowd at this point, these are actual gamers who were serious enough to search for and find Steam)


I see a lot of at least X50 GTS series cards and the same goes for ATI.

Mobile cards constitute less than 5% of the entire survey.
Onboard display is simply silly and is only around 5.52% of the population.

With the proportion of mid-range display cards continuing to rise as seen from the trend done from July to November.

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GirrL
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-12-18 10:33:26 UTC
The ship graphics are fine except the proportions of some stuff.
It's the ships physics behaviour in space that is lacking the most in my opinion.
For example, battleships does not feel like hundreds of meters wide objects floating in space. they feel more like the size of cars or something turning on a dime. Bumping around in fleet regroups is allmost comical.
If something CCP should work on their perception of size and proportions.
E.g, take more time turning a ship but less time initiating the actuall warp to compensate.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#157 - 2012-12-18 10:34:10 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:


Eve isn't known for having jaw dropping graphics .


Yes it is...

EVE has won multiple awards for them.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#158 - 2012-12-18 10:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
baltec1 wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:


Eve isn't known for having jaw dropping graphics .


Yes it is...

EVE has won multiple awards for them.


PC Gamer Sweden: Best Online RPG 2003
SuperPlay GULDPIXELN 2003: Online Game of the year
2003 Gamespy Best Graphics
2005 MMORPG.com Best Graphics, Best PvP, Favorite Company, and Reader's Choice Best Game
2006 MMORPG.com Favorite Graphics, Favorite PvE, Favorite PvP, Favorite Story, and Favorite Game
2007 MMORPG.com Best Overall Game of 2007
2009 MMORPG.com Game of the Year
2010 MMORPG.com Game of the Year
2011 MMORPG.com Game of the Year



*Notice 2005 and constantly from a single organisation since launch.
Its time TO REGAIN the glory !

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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#159 - 2012-12-18 10:38:13 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
All I know is Caldari ships and Raven especially, need new models. Symmetric ones.


...but how do you improve upon perfection?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-12-18 10:41:04 UTC
Baby ChuChu wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
All I know is Caldari ships and Raven especially, need new models. Symmetric ones.


...but how do you improve upon perfection?


Put on a shirt.

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