EVE General Discussion

It would be an acceptable loss.

I don't have a problem with the way high-sec inhabitants play.
I do have a problem with them feeling entitled to the large amounts of ISK they make with minimal effort, contributing to the rampant inflation of the in-game economy.

I can't find the source for it now, but there is recent data regarding ISK sinks and faucets in the game.


Says someone who just got done saying there's no data on the subject.

Indeed, it rather shows the futility of making sweeping statements doesnt it


For me, having lived in null a bit back in the day, I believe you'll make far more in null than high. I have no empirical evidence for this, just my personal anecdote. However you'll also not see me crying about what other players are managing to make doing what they want to do.

If I'm not happy with the rewards/fun for my time spent it is my job, not CCPs, to correct this. Because Sandbox.



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There are no barriers today - only mental ones. I believe it is unlikely that any form of carrot/stick would alter this for the majority of people, short of a stick so extreme it risks significant sub loss - which despite some peoples views is a very bad thing™.

I just want to touch on what I bolded and underlined a bit if you don't mind.

Explore what exactly?? Everything has been mapped out, strategized, documented and then some. There is nothing in this game you cant find the answer to in a matter of a few key strokes and you have it all in full detail via some 3rd party website or with the vast amount of in game mechanics. Yes I am sure there is easily a few thousand people playing this game hoping to do some exploring, but it's all been done. So they just go about with whatever grind it is, via high sec missions or farming anoms in null space.

Maybe years and years ago it was possible when things were still undocumented but now the only thing that even comes remotely close to exploring is unknown space, which is funny because you can jump into any wormhole and punch up the locus reading or whatever it is and know all the effects the system gives. Takes all of two seconds.

They added a touch of an upgraded U.I., but to be realistic all the missions have been 100% fully documented to baby step any player through it as fast as possible with the most payout possible. Incursions? Yeah, took a month or so an now that has been fully documented. Anyone still running those have them so memorized the fleet members are zombies at the keyboard for hours not uttering a single word because it is 100% predictable.

Null space you say? Yeah well there is a dozen ways to gather all the intel you need on all of that. Anything from tools in the in game map to DOTlan maps. Want a bit more details? Just cruise on over to the system your interested in with a cloak and hit the button on the directional scanner. Done. See a POS on a moon mining and wonder what it is mining? DOTlan provides the answers in less than a second after asking it. Done. No, the moon does not change mineral type. It has not changed once since it was first introduced into the game.

Going to attack a hostile alliance and want to know their fleet comp? Log on the local alt scout who's only qualification to know all goods is simply being in system and hitting that directional scanner. Oh it took all of a couple minutes to ask/research where they base out of. Done.

Probed down some site and your wondering what to do? Yup, you guessed it. A quick search on a 3rd party website you have bookmarked explained in detail what exactly to do in order to complete the site and you have a general idea of what you can possibly make off it. Hell why bother running it unless it is one of those good ones right? Waste my time on that small site??, lol get real.

So I ask you again. Explore what??

Anyone who comes to this game hoping to explore and venture into the unknown quickly realize that kind of game play simply no longer exists in this game and sadly, they move to another game. I really hate to sound all bitter and ****, but isn't this a spaceship game? Everything we have ever known about space growing up as a kid has been based on the unknown factor. And here we are in a game where the word 'unknown' applies less and less every day.

I really hate saying this, but the best part about space aside from spaceships, exploration does simply not apply in this game. Not one damn bit.

Explore what?

What if hisec NPC stations weren't enough to support all of hisec industry? You'd have to do "exploration" (in the form of visiting places) simply to get to stations where you could do your industry.

What if star gates were destructible and player-constructed? You'd have to do exploration to find wormholes linking systems so you could then install a star gate (for your enemies to then destroy, etc).

Why are you null then?

You're obviously not happy there. So why?

Why make a choice, then complain about it? No-one put a gun to your head and demanded you move to null.


There's more to this game than just making isk...any sec can generate sufficient isk for people to get by (or better). If all that matters is isk, then by all means move to where it's generated best (that'd be trading, unless I miss my guess). If you believe there's more to life than isk, then play where you're happy.

Honestly, why do you care so much what other people do? Are you not having fun?

Ever heard of the expression "misery loves company"?

Why do you care so much about what he says?

Because it's relevant to my second post in this thread:



It didnt take long to go that way, did it?


@James Amril-Kesh

Then I suggest you start crusading against industry/trading/PI....because it's rewards are massive with less risk than running a level 1 mission in a tengu with OGBs.

I seriously doubt the sole motivating reason for people living in high sec is isk alone.