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A call to arms against the True Slavers of New Eden

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Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#1 - 2012-12-17 23:31:31 UTC
After my recent experience in the death of the Lord Father, some of you may remember me asking for assistance, I have been wondering about how best to serve not only my own people, but the people of New Eden as a whole. I, like many Minmatar, believe that slavery is a degradation of the human soul for both slave and Holder. It is a cancer that eats at this world, but I have also come to see in the Elders Sanctuaries and on Mir'Mulnir holdings, that freed slaves in many cases resent their freedom or simply do not understand its premise.

A recent report, from my Tribes Holdings, showed that twenty five percent of those we had freed over the age of twenty five have fled back to Amarr seeking new masters. Six percent have committed suicide and a staggering thirty two percent simply stagnate. The definition of stagnation in this report is that these people lack the ability to lead lives without strict instruction from the Tribesmen whom look over these Holdings. They require time lines from us such as when to sleep, when to wake, when to eat and so on and my daughter, who has now taken over the Tribe, has concluded that this generation is a "lost generation" that we have done more damage to then helped.

The story is entirely different if we are speaking of those whom were under the age of sixteen during the Elders Emancipation, and we are using this as a model for future slave extractions, but this still leaves us with a plan that sees us stealing children in the dead of night, and leaving their parents and elders in captivity which we fear may cause yet another set of problems in the future and we have yet to decide if this is a avenue which we wish to pursue. As of this moment we are ceasing all further incursions against the Amarr until we have figured out a plan in this respect and I know that there are many organizations which have had better results and we would ask those people to forward the results to myself or the Tribe.

Until such time as we can create a new and viable plan for those rescued from the Amarr, I have decided to peruse an avenue which is having much better success, and that is the freeing and rehabilitation of the other massive slave population in New Eden which is those held by Sansha's Nation, and thus I am announcing the Servant Brothers of New Eden. This new organization will work loosely with the Sisters of Eve in matters such as the recent Rilnais incident, however as a capsuleer organization I plan to actively engage Sansha Incursions and free those whom they have taken.

I will be actively recruiting people, of all nationality, in this endeavor and I will not allow my personal bias to interfere with this goal. I openly request that people, from all four empires whom wish to combat this threat, to join me. Mir'Mulnir Tribe will act as our Minmatar rehabilitation organization and I would ask that corps from the Amarr, Gallente and Caldari Nations step up and provide support for this cause as a Minmatar cannot teach an Amarrian who to reconnect to their roots any better than a Fox can teach a bear how to be a bear.

((OOC to the CEO's of Sansha RP corps out there, once I have this corp going I would very much like to talk over some RP events for both Eve and DUST 514 so drop me a line. All other RPers interested in a sort of United Nations sort of group, regardless of your RPed personal loyalties, drop me a line aswell.))
Veris Aloren
#2 - 2012-12-17 23:42:38 UTC
A noble endeavor, to say the least. I'm not sure what type of people you're looking for or what I can offer to you, but you've got my support in any way you need, though I'm curious...

How are you organizing, specifically? Is this going to be a new corporation or alliance, or just a loose association?

Donations to Aloren Enterprises are always accepted.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-17 23:57:48 UTC
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.

As to the content:

Cripes. You have had poor results liberating Minmatar from the Amarrians so you're going to try and free Nation slaves from Sansha? When I read this, my wife asked from the bedroom what the loud thunk was; I responded with "my head hitting the console." Nation slaves are beyond saving, they're not even human any more. Just give them a merciful death and be about your way. Cripes.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#4 - 2012-12-18 00:06:11 UTC
Veris Aloren wrote:
A noble endeavor, to say the least. I'm not sure what type of people you're looking for or what I can offer to you, but you've got my support in any way you need, though I'm curious...

How are you organizing, specifically? Is this going to be a new corporation or alliance, or just a loose association?


To answer your question, both. I am looking for people to fly with me when these incursions happen and to save as many from the Sansha as possible on the front end. The second part, of loose affiliation, would be the corps and organizations out there which have had success in rehabilitating these poor souls after they have been indoctrinated by the Nation and then other organizations. Stron and many others have had success in this arena and so I will leave it to better minds then mine to do that work.

Veris Aloren
#5 - 2012-12-18 00:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Veris Aloren
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.



Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear.

On topic, however...

I personally would like to know more about the corporation itself. What are your long term plans for carrying out the goal and how do you plan to fill the ranks?

Donations to Aloren Enterprises are always accepted.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2012-12-18 00:45:14 UTC
I think you are underestimating the thoroughness with which Nation approaches its enslavement. They have no need for their True Slaves to retain any form of humanity. The flesh brain they keep is used as little more than a co-processor. The remnants of the former mind are far too fragmented to form even the most basic foundations for a personality once disconnected from Nation.

Euthanasia is the most humane treatment for a staggering majority of freed True Slaves. Your greatest hope should be reserved for those only recently captured, not those already 'assimilated' so to speak.

Katrina Oniseki

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-12-18 00:50:55 UTC
I applaud your change of focus. Sansha's Nation is a threat to all empires that needs much more effort than it currently receives.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#8 - 2012-12-18 00:51:08 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Your greatest hope should be reserved for those only recently captured, not those already 'assimilated' so to speak.


And this is perhaps what I should have stated more clearly, is that these people are the target of our efforts. Getting to these people and then getting them to a group who can undo the damage done to the people in this category. I am hoping that there are those out there who will step up to help me in this second phase.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-12-18 01:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Veris Aloren wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.



Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear.



I simply dislike ineffective communication. I read quite a bit every day (All uploads to the gal-net are loaded to me as text; if it is a video, software automatically makes a transcript.) and like what I read to be quality work.


Someone show me documented proof that anyone enslaved by Kuvakei has ever been rescued and reintegrated into society. The only example that comes to mind is the Valadeus girl, who was not only the most broken person that I have ever encountered, but she also went back to Nation! As an anarchist I appreciate the havoc that they are wreaking on the Cluster, but their goals frighten me; destroy them all, wherever you find them. Do not feel sorrie for them.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-18 01:06:49 UTC
Nation and its adherents tend not to condone meddling in their operations.

Be careful who you cross at such a tender age.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#11 - 2012-12-18 01:18:15 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

Someone show me documented proof that anyone enslaved by Kuvakei has ever been rescued and reintegrated into society. The only example that comes to mind is the Valadeus girl, who was not only the most broken person that I have ever encountered, but she also went back to Nation! As an anarchist I appreciate the havoc that they are wreaking on the Cluster, but their goals frighten me; destroy them all, wherever you find them. Do not feel sorrie for them.


The time window for any viable rescue would be during the raid itself, or at a facility that is used just after the assualt, to finish conversion of those taken. Any attempt after that point, to my knowledge, is futile. But after that rescue, that is where I need this community to help out. I know Stron has programs, others do aswell, to rehabilitate people, but on the worlds effected by the Incursions ruins remain. I am looking for people here to help with feeding, clothing, counseling and perhaps even putting people to work after these events that they can reclaim their lives as closely as possible.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2012-12-18 01:20:49 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.


This is what is referred to as an inductive form. It is of use when wishing to entice and lead, whereas the deductive form is useful for making declarative statements. It is my guess that Mr. Muertas chose this form as he wished to employ a more narrative, warm and congenial tone. This is useful when one wishes to invite discussion, and should be indicative of his intentions for the post.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-12-18 01:43:49 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.


This is what is referred to as an inductive form. It is of use when wishing to entice and lead, whereas the deductive form is useful for making declarative statements. It is my guess that Mr. Muertas chose this form as he wished to employ a more narrative, warm and congenial tone. This is useful when one wishes to invite discussion, and should be indicative of his intentions for the post.


Under no circumstances should I be halfway through reading an upload and still not know what the uploader's main point is. Even the title was insufficient. I will admit that I guessed what was going on, but I credit that to my intelligence not the clarity of Muertas's words. A wonderful opening line would have been: "I've decided to fight Nation instead of the Empire and am starting a corporation and trying to rescue people from Kuvakei. Here's why:" I wrote many formal papers in both finishing school as well as the CalNav Marines officer school and in no circumstances did my thesis statement never appear in the first paragraph. It was usually in the first line.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2012-12-18 03:00:17 UTC
The direct form has no doubt served you very well in the formal papers you have written. The direct form is often ideal for formal papers, scientific papers, and some business documents, amongst other areas.

This said, one of my favourite articles from The Intercluster Journal of Intelligence Studies [IJIS] is M. Savanakka's delightful YC112 discussion on asymmetric graph weighting, in which the esteemed doctor does not make his thesis fully known until the end of the primary proof. While unconventional, the form invites the reader on the same journey of discovery which the writer had first taken. The feeling of surprise on reaching the thesis was worth the delay of realizing it, certainly.

Mr. Muertas is not writing a formal paper, scientific document, or business document. This is not even a press release. It is a statement of intent and invitation to discuss that intent. As such, inviting the reader on some voyage of discovery may be just what is called for. I also don't think you give Mr. Muertas enough credit. I was able to guess his topic on reading the title of the post as well, and I'm no genius with communication - I'm certainly not as well learned as yourself on the subject. Perhaps his inductive style was better chosen than you first suspected.

Finally, Ms. Vea, I urge patience on your part. We are Capsuleers, not authors or marketers. Some inefficiencies are to be expected.

Thank you, and I apologize for interrupting this thread with my reply. I will not post in an off-topic manner again. I leave the final word to you, if you so choose, Ms. Vea.
Veris Aloren
#15 - 2012-12-18 04:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Veris Aloren
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Veris Aloren wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.



Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear.



I simply dislike ineffective communication. I read quite a bit every day (All uploads to the gal-net are loaded to me as text; if it is a video, software automatically makes a transcript.) and like what I read to be quality work.




Unfortunately for your preferences, not every system revolves around your star. People write with character and voice that they developed through their own experiences and personality, and frankly, it's rather disrespectful to claim that your way is the correct way and that no other way exists. Try digesting more than just the raw facts and get a feeling for the people you are communicating with. Respect them and in turn they will respect you, as opposed to simply ignoring you as CONCORD's grammar police.

Which by the way, is fantastically annoying. Don't like it? Don't read it. And certainly don't comment on it.

Donations to Aloren Enterprises are always accepted.

Pulivin Motic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-18 04:55:50 UTC
So let me get this right, you want to capture a large group of easily controlled true slaves, and then populate your colonies with them. Im not saying im against the idea, but if you want good cheap labor don't disguise it as some sort of humanitarian mission.


Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#17 - 2012-12-18 05:04:47 UTC
Let the rabid dogs tear each other apart, really.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#18 - 2012-12-18 06:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Los Muertas
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-12-18 08:32:56 UTC
Veris Aloren wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Veris Aloren wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.



Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear.



I simply dislike ineffective communication. I read quite a bit every day (All uploads to the gal-net are loaded to me as text; if it is a video, software automatically makes a transcript.) and like what I read to be quality work.




Unfortunately for your preferences, not every system revolves around your star. People write with character and voice that they developed through their own experiences and personality, and frankly, it's rather disrespectful to claim that your way is the correct way and that no other way exists. Try digesting more than just the raw facts and get a feeling for the people you are communicating with. Respect them and in turn they will respect you, as opposed to simply ignoring you as CONCORD's grammar police.

Which by the way, is fantastically annoying. Don't like it? Don't read it. And certainly don't comment on it.


I was going to let this go after Scherezad's comment and focus on the matter at hand, but since you brought it up. . . .
What you want is politeness. Had I phrased my initial comment something along the lines of "I like what you're doing, fighting Nation is good, but next time can you please be a little more clear on your intent early on?" I doubt we would be having this discussion. I, however, will not waste time with politeness. I am blunt and scathingly honest. A person will always know where they stand with me. I made a comment about Muertas's writing because this is the second time that I have seen an upload from him that wonders around before getting to the point; the first one was an unduly long upload about slavery that went on for several more pages than it needed to and as a result most people either misunderstood or ignored it. He can either take my advice or leave it, but the advice is there. And the advice was posted in accordance with my character and my voice.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-12-18 08:53:42 UTC
Allow me to interject; have you ever tried to understand His Nation?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

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