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WH Should be Nerfed!

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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#21 - 2012-12-18 03:21:46 UTC
ma perke wrote:
WH has too much advantage over k-space and too low risk to live in.

Lets say your corp lives in a class 5 wh, where only the loot from a rat BS is 50Misk. You do all the anomallies which are active and instead of waiting for another spawn next day you just scan for the wh in your own system. If it is again class 5 you go and do the anomalies there. If by some chance it leads to undesirable space - like goon space for instance - you jump a carrier through in and out and close the WH. There is imediately another one spawning leading to some other place. There is no need for system upgrades, no need for soverenity warfare nothing. 20man corp can make tons of money and avoid all undesirable fights.

Hence WH should be nerfed - TOO MUCH ISK for too small risk involved!

Suggestes steps:

- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
- Player induced closing of a WH should be not possible.
- WH should be more accessible.
- POS mechanics in WH should be changed, so that it can be killed in a single day as long as a WH lasts.


Cry me a river carebear. Your NPC AI has just been brought in line with what we've been dealing with for years. Not to mention NPC timers have just been brought in to stop log offs and the likes. Go troll somewhere else please.

PS. Nobody listens to alts here. If you knew anything about WH space you would know this.
Sorany
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-12-18 03:33:47 UTC
while we are at it can we also remove mass limits so that all of the super caps can jump in here and just steam roll all these pesky WH corps?! I mean why not right?!

also, I see what you did here.....

WHAT!?

MITTANI

you literally just seemed to think that if your idea wasn't well received on themittani.com, that the WORMHOLE forums would be a place to lodge your complaint, because that makes sense.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#23 - 2012-12-18 04:28:18 UTC
Preparing for the 25 page threadnought where w-space people throw hard facts out while nullbears bleat randomly into the wind.

Selling WH CFC Standings 10b/month for +10 with: Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks, Overwatch This, Many Vacancies, Golden Showers, Friendly Probes, Isogen Memed.

Join up for swag C3 Gila/Osprey ratting fleets daily! We also rent C2s out with CV effect!

Sorany
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-18 04:57:52 UTC
Matuk Grymwal wrote:
[quote=bubble trout][quote=ma perke]Despite this I've seen nullseccers bring the fight to my WH corp once that I can recall (last weekend actually - and I've been in WH for 2 yrs).


not to mention when it does happen, suddenly nyxs...

then start the cries of how WHers never want to fight, and how we just retreat back into our hole and run away from all the leet nullbears pvpers.

but hey, it's really just our own fault for being so terrible and not building supercaps of our own.

we are bad, and we should feel bad.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#25 - 2012-12-18 05:15:50 UTC
Quote:
back on the topic:

do you do upgrades in WH? - NO
can you close WH if you dont like it - NO
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - NO



that's right. Because you don't live in a WH. you live in a WSpace.

but in regards to your questions:

1) Yes. They're called adding extra POSes/defenses. But you meant like the more rats (Escalations), Industry (Rorqual/Orcas), and the other one that I can't recall off the top of my head.
2) Yes. people crash WHs all the time
3) Yes, you do. It's the right to have your POS/ships/assets/etc in the system
4) Yes, if they find a Wormhole leading to yours, or if you open up yours and leave it open. or get a scanner alt in and scan down entrances to the Wspace.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-18 06:52:16 UTC
You clearly don't know what the risks are in w-space!
After you run sites you need to transport the stuff you found to hs.
If it gets ganked allong the way you have nothing... . Maybe we should change NPC-bountys in 0.0 to tags wich have to be cashed in in HS, lets see if that is not a risk.
Everything you salvage, loot ,mine or produced needs to be transported again to somewhere else.
Increasing the chance of getting ganked.
And keeping in mind that large volumes can't be transported because the hole will collaps.
It not like in 0.0 where you just jump a jempfreighter back and forth. After 3 capitals the largest holes will collaps, in lower class w-space you can't even get a freigther through most holes... .
Closing holes is easy?,No one can come and challenge you? Have you at all been reading the latest battlereports in w-space?
Check these out :
http://themittani.com/news/autumns-attila-rnk-takes-transmission-lost
http://themittani.com/media/c5-capital-carnage
http://themittani.com/news/wormhole-massacre

Avoiding fights when carebearing was possible before retribution now, you can't. (logofski, everyone did it)

Suggestes steps:

- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
Why ? not that any nullbear would come in after that... .
- Player induced closing of a WH should be not possible.
It is a way to get to the game content, some holes are empty, how would you like to close down your 0.0 constellation so no one can get in or out, and only you are in there, ...
- WH should be more accessible.
They are just read the manual in this forum section , HTFU or GTFO.
- POS mechanics in WH should be changed, so that it can be killed in a single day as long as a WH lasts.
Lol, having a hard time killing a pos without a supercap? Then you are doing it wrong... .
This is actualy a discussion point for a general pos revamp try there... .

No local in null sec would fix everything!

krinan Orlenard
TRUSTproof
#27 - 2012-12-18 08:02:42 UTC
So you think that there is no risk in w-space?
then change that! but not by posting stuff on the forum!
grab some friends, some some ships and add some risk to w-space!
the sandbox gives you the lemons, make something with them!
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#28 - 2012-12-18 09:45:28 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:
Maybe we should change NPC-bountys in 0.0 to tags wich have to be cashed in in HS


that actually sounds amazing, but would drive SO many people out of null sec. Too many, probably.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#29 - 2012-12-18 10:09:05 UTC
ma perke wrote:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.


Oh please, oh please, oh please. CCP, do it. Do it NAO!

As for the rest of your troll thread... LOLOL
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-12-18 10:27:15 UTC
It's threads like this that make me laugh.

ERRMAGHERD there's a neut in local in a buzzard, better safe up in a pos and log off

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-18 10:36:33 UTC
Alt posts never deserve any considerations.
Especially ones copy and pasted off the mittani site where all of its points were already rebuked by people who have actually been in Whs before.

There is no Bob.

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Endo Scrote
xLegion of the dammedx.
#32 - 2012-12-18 11:09:26 UTC
Utter tool who knows nothing
Irya Boone
The Scope
#33 - 2012-12-18 11:38:32 UTC
you all know the rule .. don't F.. feed the troll !!!

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-12-18 11:51:51 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
unimatrix0030 wrote:
Maybe we should change NPC-bountys in 0.0 to tags wich have to be cashed in in HS


that actually sounds amazing, but would drive SO many people out of null sec. Too many, probably.

This makes me remember the i forgot to mention that there isn't any local, for all you know one solo dude might have 20 loged off corpmates... .
I seem to remember that a few years ago some dudes found an bug/exploit to get into a system without being in local(something with cyno and disconnect). CCP couldn't patch that fast enough for those k-spacers... .

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Xtrah
Overload This
#35 - 2012-12-18 12:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Xtrah
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#36 - 2012-12-18 12:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: chris elliot
*sniff sniff*

Is that a shtposting mittani.fail alt I smell? Why looky here! It is a shtposting mittani.fail alt!


Would you like some cheese to with your whine before the lock shtposting mittani.fail alt?







EDIT: I do love how whenever someone comes in here spewing stupidity like the OP's from their brown eye that we all immediately degenerate the thread into a pile of trolls and lolz such that it gets locked quite quickly.

Keep up the good work guys!
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#37 - 2012-12-18 12:54:32 UTC
I insist that NRA should be ban.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-12-18 16:12:28 UTC
this thread wins all the internets.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-12-18 16:52:53 UTC
I am sure that this post is either a poor troll or a very new player trying to figure out why w-space is different. However I will answer it in a serious manner.

As far as risk in w-space is concerned, it is by FAR the most risky venture in the game. Unlike null sec and some low sec, w-space alliances and corporations do not get their ISK from moons. Our members band together and earn ISK through Sleeper sites, ISK that goes to pay for Corp Towers, PvP ships and other expenses associated with maintaining alliances. Second, unlike lvl 4 missions, incursions and null sec anoms the w-space sleeper sites require the MOST skill point and ISK investment. If you do not have a Carrier (4.5bil fit + 1bil pod), 4 Dreads (5bil fit each), 3 Lokis (1.5bil each) on the field, you are not doing the sites right. That sum does not include the booster toon (1bil ship) and the second carrier (4.5bil + 1bil pod). So in the end you in order to do a sleeper site in an efficient manner you need to have at least 8 pilots of field with over 30bil worth of assets and probably around 800 million skill points combined.

Yes, you can do sleeper sites in other manner, but it will take hours will require quite a bit of ISK investment too and it wont be nowhere as efficient as the method above. Now lets talk about living in w-space, most importantly assets. Wspace unlike any other aspect of the game, carries with it the highest penalty on asset loss should you be locked out or evicted from your wormhole. Unlike high and low sec, where your assets are available at will. Null sec is a bit different, your enemies can and will revoke your docking rights, but with the current null sec coalitions renting out space to all sorts of renter corps and keeping pet alliances as buffer against roaming gangs, its very easy to create an alt and apply to one of those to get standings. Than you either evac your assets or sell them, in any case you have an option for loss mitigation. Not so with w-space, you lose everything you can't log off or scan out of the system.

If you think that wspace is populated by hotshot elitist pilots, then you bought into our trolling and propaganda way better than we though possible. In reality wspace is populated by players who are willing to put in extra time into learning additional mechanics. This knowledge comes at a cost, always, sometimes the cost is extra ships, sometimes its nerves and quite often its sleep. Wspace pilots aren't good because of some wspace magic, because we have it easy or because wspace is full of 24/7 non-stop shannigans, no the pilots are good because they invest time and effort into the game and if they pay even a little bit of attention they get rewarded for their time and effort.
El Liptonez
AQUILA INC
#40 - 2012-12-18 16:53:38 UTC
OP is 100% right.

More k-space exits so we can gank more idiots like him (especially when they try to enter w-space).