EVE General Discussion

Nerfing High sec is going to hurt the game Boosting null won't ...it's not a hard thing to see. I live in 0.0 I make isk in high sec or Worm holes not in 0.0......anyone else find that to be a bit backasswards?

0.0:For a place that supposed to be hardcore and have rewards ......well it doesn't no one mine's really it's not worth it. Bountys on rats aren't worth the ammo you shoot at them even if you try and chain them, Anoms and plexs have been total **** when and IF you even see them.

High sec has some really nice low risk ways to make isk it always has on the other side 0.0 use to be where it was at and its plain as day to see its not anymore.

I agree that something needs to be done but nerfing more of either High/0.0 will hurt the game more then fixing 0.0

I hear a Sh&* ton of people QQing about ship prices going nuts and the plex prices getting out of hand. Why do you think that is?

I have played eve going on 5 years now and I am finding it hard to give myself a reason to login and I'm not alone. Our alliance went from 100+ online a day with roams and fleet's 30-50+ strong to 5-10 man gangs of random boredom. There are less people to shoot less people to find ratting or anoming it's getting truly sad in 0.0. Something really does have to be done.

Either way I have next to no faith in the player base coming to a compromise and even less faith that CCP can make a valid change w/o going to far in one direction or the other (they have yet to do a balance change of any kind that wasn't so extreme as to either make a race/area so OP it's stupid or do a nerf that was so bad it makes the item/ship/race they change out right worthless when compared to others.)

It's a non-stop battle that's gotten to the boiling point for a lot of people (I don't have numbers and I'm not one to make them up to confound my points) but I can speak from 5 years worth of seeing this beast die a slow death.

This whole nerf high sec is utterly stupid.

nullsec is owned by PLAYERS. It's not a place everyone can simply go. It is the empire of certain players, what more reward do you want than to own and control regions larger than those of the four races? This is EVE, thus a sandbox. Your nullsec empire is what you make it. CCP is not going to intervene just because you're too bad to make something of the space you have conquered.

But I guess that is what you get when you swarm up with tools to conquer what you can't control. No pun intended.

we haz much space but we too dumb to do anything wit et, plz nerf hisec!11 bads will be bads

You don't offer citizenship. Hisec does. You're nothing but a mindless band of pirates who care for nothing but how large your territory is in which you do and provide nothing.

No one goes to null to make more ISK.

No one goes to an area of the game to play were they have the potential of losing more ISK, without making more in return.

Null is not low sec. It is not a permenant warzone. It is the player driven version of high sec; we are given the tools to build our own Caldari, or Gallente type empire.

"High sec money making alts" should not be a tagline added when talking about null players, and the fact that it is is glaring evidence that there's a problem. You don't have high sec alts to make money if you can make more in null, obvously.

There's nothing WE can do, short of creating widespread peace with the all of null sec instead of just a portion of it.

Most people will not move to null sec as long as getting blown up is possible, and you get nothing in return for risking it.
You get nothing in return for living in null, for the added risk and effort you assume living here.



Pretty much everyone agrees that you GAIN nothing by moving to null. Even people who are apposed to any kind of change in high sec, openly admit that moving to null only means someone can shoot you.

No one agrues that null makes considerably more and is therefore worth it!

NO ONE in EVE needs to make more isk. You sneeze and your wallet amount goes up. It is impossible to not make ISK in EVE, unless you literally intend to not make ISK. NO ONE that participates in these discussions can say that making ISK is hard, or that anyone needs to make more.

We are all aware that making ISK in EVE is practically a passive ability.



Certain activities in high sec need to make less.
We've already seen that if an activity in null sec pays out considerably higher than in high, that people will actually come to null to do it. We also know that when you take that away, people leave.


When the same people yelling there's no problem constantly contradict themselves by pointing out exactly the problems, there's obviously a frigging problem.

Injecting more ISK into EVE should not be the first option; it can be the most harmful.

Masses of people are not going to quit if mining yeilds in high sec were reduced.
They wouldn't quit if High sec NPC stations didn't allow 100% refine rates.
They wouldn't quit if loot drops were thinned in high sec.
They wouldn't quit if there was a slight tax increase in high sec.
They wouldn't quit if they reduced manufacturing slots in NPC stations.
They wouldn't quit if running a PoS was the best way to maximize industrial profits in high sec over a null sec statioin.

Yes indeed, if you are in a player corp, and you run a PoS, I think you should be able to be more efficient and on par with a null station. It takes effort to run a station, you have to assume risk to run a station, you should be reward for that effort and risk just like every person playing in null.

You should NOT be able to get better rewards as a member of an NPC corp, utilizing NPC stations in high sec.
Buffing high sec wouldn't fix this alone. You have to nerf THAT particular aspect of high. the NPC corp member, using NPC stations. That type of play marginalizes pretty much every other isk making activity in EVE, even high sec corps who run PoS's.

It's people acting like drama queens. The rational aren't asking CCP to cut the legs out from under high sec.

I can say this.

I can see very clearly someone wasn't told NO enough as a child.

Katran Luftschreck hit it right on the nail, and I think the angry posting that followed it kind of demonstrated that. I live primarily in low-sec at the moment, and am planning on expanding into W-space sometime in the future. I haven't even considered going to nullsec, and I don't think I will, and not because I don't think I couldn't get something useful out of it - having access to the high-end ore out there would certainly help the new industrial pilots my corporation just picked up build things. Having space to put up a starbase would give me access to my own research slots which I could use without having to wait ages for empire station slots to be free. There are excellent opportunities for exploring out there as well, or so I've heard.

Thing is, though? I can get all of that in W-space, along with genuine PvP with no risk of a hotdrop, and I don't need to beg anyone to let me into their alliance. I don't need to pay rent. I don't need to tithe resources to an overlord. Back in 2010 I took a group of eight friends into a wormhole and set up a large tower, stayed there for a month, and it was the most fun I've ever had in EVE Online. I wish we could have stayed longer, but eventually some of the pilots got fatigued and we didn't have enough to maintain the wormhole on our own. The only downside to a wormhole is that it has no ice fields and thus we did have to rely on empire markets for some commodities, but living isolated from the vast majority of EVE's crazy politics, making money by ourselves and getting good fights with no risk of a hotdrop was awesome.

Nullsec just can't offer that sort of experience.

Gawd, not this again... *facepalm*

Ahhh Bless!

Thats sooooo cute.

You gotta love the goon ethos.

OK well I tell you what, we'll swap all the 0.0 stations for all the hi-sec stations. And then if you have any problems it'll be just because you're a mindless bunch of bears who care for nothing but how big your LP stash is.

Null sec is for mountain dew swilling, cheetoh breath neckbeards.

Wormholes is where the real players play.

Are we already down to simply pounding the table?