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Mr Pragmatic
#41 - 2012-12-17 09:19:29 UTC
Man, the Bull Shi...er Goon propaganda is strong in here.

1)First of all, no one cares about your pretty little wars you have in null sec.

2)Risk VS Reward Risk VS Reward. That is what you perceive to be valid argument. But your wrong, no one MAKES you live
in null and conduct your reindeer games.

3)Eve is about choices and consequences, if you want to live in the ghetto and complain about how your not getting payed move to Hi sec where the real jobs are at.

4)Just because your sandbox is full of crap, doesn't mean you throw your crap in my sandbox.

5)Is making 30 million isk and hour if your lucky. Is that REALLY an ISK faucet? What about the massive wealth massive alliances have gathered? Should us Hi sec citizens demand it should redistributed?

6)Just stop, these threads are getting so old. Its becoming a copy pasta now. "Nerf Hi sec"

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
pussnheels
Viziam
#42 - 2012-12-17 09:36:26 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
So, Null Sec's a ghetto. The facilities there are run down, its run by anarchic gangs, and everyone there is poor. Ugh

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYEEDT16ra56NHD7fNKXcYKIo0POKBHOxXANZvIjDvOvC3bFCSpFWfOCRgew

So, instead of proclaiming 'nurf highsec. nurf nurf nurf nuurf.'

Why not fix Nullsec by buffing it up to be better then High Sec? Instead of making it less profitable to live somewhere, why not make other places better to live? If the crappiest parts of Nullsec are as profitable as Highsec, then things will get better. Make the zones that are better then other places in Nullsec, buff those accordingly.

Low sec? I mean, ****, I wish I knew how to posit an idea to fix that place.


Before anyone asks, yes, I was in Nullsec, where Cascade Imminent was. But I saw the writing on the wall and gtfo'd.


one question , where do you get your information from obvious you are playing a different game
the amount of money you make depends on how much effort you put in and in null sec you need to put in more effort and need to cooperate, but the rewards are great , ' Working together 'something people seems to ignore in HS

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Pretty GuyYeah
#43 - 2012-12-17 10:22:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Because it's a stupid "everybody wins" approach and CCP needs to stop with this welfare nonsense?



This is the typical response you will get. It is goons like this, thing/tool, here that wants to nerf high sec, why? So they may gank miners.

Sole reason. Notice how it is the PvPers who suggest that high sec should be nerfed so that miners have to enter low and null sec. We all know it's a terrible idea, but they are too selffish to see it. They just want to kill some ships without weapon modules.

Post with your main.

A legend walks among us, a genius so significant he so dares to degrade himself as camouflage when you dispute.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-12-17 10:35:01 UTC
This argument is so tired and lame, but because my side can form coherent arguments, sometimes fantastically destructive and silencing arguments that the opposition can, at best, ignore, is why hi-sec apologists always sound ******** to my ears.

Sorry about your terrible play style and/or possibly mental defficiencies.

Well thanks for reading, God willing you empire-dwelling people get popped by miniluv now and then to remind you that you're an impotent wretch in a game that's made for people like us.

Well, it's 4:30am here, so good night, and try not to haul PLEX in freighters noobs peace.
Mr Pragmatic
#45 - 2012-12-17 10:57:09 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
This argument is so tired and lame, but because my side can form coherent arguments, sometimes fantastically destructive and silencing arguments that the opposition can, at best, ignore, is why hi-sec apologists always sound ******** to my ears.

Sorry about your terrible play style and/or possibly mental defficiencies.

Well thanks for reading, God willing you empire-dwelling people get popped by miniluv now and then to remind you that you're an impotent wretch in a game that's made for people like us.

Well, it's 4:30am here, so good night, and try not to haul PLEX in freighters noobs peace.


u mad?

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-12-17 11:44:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
maybe if nullsec space was actually worth holding in comparison to getting everything for free in hisec, you'd actually have more than just token resistance to invasions and groups forming up to contest sov space, not just moons??? and maybe if the sov system wasn't a giant joke people would actually, you know, consider the idea of taking somebody's space from underneath them, assuming that the space was worth holding in comparison to literally being given everything you can possibly want in the safety of highsec with zero effort

Isn't this sums up entire premise of the thread nicely?..

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Captain Death1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-12-17 11:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Death1
they are right we are playing a diff game one that they are not part of anymore the null sec player


might as well get use to it are lose subs will not give even one inch Evil


I wil agree to remove missions mining every thing from high sec just as long as after that when you enter high sec your weapons are locked can not fire inless they agree if not then stfu all ready about it


are send ccp $1mill of your own cash to pay for the loss of subs
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#48 - 2012-12-17 12:03:36 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
This argument is so tired and lame, but because my side can form coherent arguments, sometimes fantastically destructive and silencing arguments that the opposition can, at best, ignore, is why hi-sec apologists always sound ******** to my ears.

Sorry about your terrible play style and/or possibly mental defficiencies.

Well thanks for reading, God willing you empire-dwelling people get popped by miniluv now and then to remind you that you're an impotent wretch in a game that's made for people like us.

Well, it's 4:30am here, so good night, and try not to haul PLEX in freighters noobs peace.


With this elitist jerk attitude you are going to win all sorts of support!

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Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-12-17 12:21:47 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
Why not fix Nullsec by buffing it up to be better then High Sec?


A lot of people have been wondering the same thing. Risk vs. reward and all. It's a mystery Oops


It is better.

Unless all you're counting is the good old isk/hour.

The reward in null is the exercise of power over other players. The complaint is that there are players over whom there is no exercise of power.

To pervert the words of some old Prussian dude: forum whining is an extension of PvP by other means.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-12-17 12:26:34 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
If 71% of the populace thinks Nullsec is a crappy place to go, then something's wrong.

Good thing that's not the case then, isn't it?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-12-17 12:35:50 UTC
Gotta love the high sec labor union.

"We demand fair and equal pay!"

"**** you we're not working for it!"
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-12-17 12:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Allow system to system warp "Star Trek style" and get rid of local and nullsec can get all of the targets that it wants.

They do want targets, right? I mean, I see a lot of complaining about a lack of target and phat loots, plus raging over "AFK cloakers" and why they can't farm when one is present. They say they go out to null because they are not PVP-averse carebears like people in high sec. Surely they will embrace my idea.

So.......

let me get this right...

You want to create a volume of space 10,000 times larger (or more) where a ship might land than the current mechanics and you think it will result in *more* targets? That's not even logical or well thought out. As a matter of fact, it's pretty pitiful, tbqh... There is local intel because of Gates. Gates read who goes through them.

Be pretty stupid if they didn't use that mechanic.

:psyduck:

I'm a wormholer, not nullsec'er.

Wormholes are unique because of no local and WH mechanics.

Leave Wormholes alone and keep your grubby mitts off our mechanics.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Doddy
Excidium.
#53 - 2012-12-17 12:47:36 UTC
power creep, inflation, take yoru pick.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-12-17 13:01:17 UTC
I live in null sec and the only reason im poor is that i keep spending it.

No Worries
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-12-17 13:21:16 UTC
Xessej wrote:
Only when this stuff is done can any change to risk v reward hope to draw players out to 0.0 space.

So the anomaly buff didn't result in people moving to null?

And the nerf didn't result in people moving back to hi-sec?

Wow, news to me.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#56 - 2012-12-17 13:21:53 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
The reason for the discussion of nerfing highsec is that highsec is so good, that a balanced buff to nullsec would be so huge it would threaten to blow up the economy.

Can't just increase rat bounties without causing inflation

Can't throw super-ore in there without screwing up that market the way drone alloys did

Can't drop more top shelf rat loot without devaluing it

etc



None of those things are being suggested to make nullsec better. it's already a fine place to smoosh red pluses, there's ore all over the place, and rat loot isn't that much in demand.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
#57 - 2012-12-17 13:29:02 UTC
I haven't posted on this forum in over a year, but lately I've been returning to it to try to keep up with what's going on in the game. This thread prompted me to make a post, but I realized after clicking the "POST"-button why I haven't posted on the forum in over a year: Because the new forum is crap. It ate my post. The old one did it as well, so you'd think that this was a point that would be addressed in making a new forum. But no. Certain Crazy People seem incapable of learning.

But enough about the same old complaints, and let's focus on the same old complaints:

Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
How to make adjustments to null and highsec at the same time, the right way:

Boil the frog slowly.

If you just release a patch that majorly nerfs highsec and causes null to sprout isk fountains (presumably to encourage people to move to nullsec,) you risk the empire-bound majority mass-quitting in carebear outrage.

So don't do that. Instead, just quietly sneak small changes into Eve's patches. Maybe one patch decreases highsec asteroid yield by 2% and boosts nullsec roids by 2%. Maybe the next patch moves 5% of the veldspar in highsec to null. Make the changes gradual, and carebears won't notice because they're morons. Patch after patch, the value of highsec is nibbled away, while the reasons for moving to null keep growing.


I agree with you completely right up until the end. Ignoring the elitist comment, I'll say this: While highsec has been in a slow decline for the past 2-3 years, nullsec hasn't changed at all in the 5 years since I started playing. The stuff has moved around a bit, but it's all the same. It has NOT improved in any way, and no new reasons have magically appeared to live there instead of elsewhere in EvE.
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
#58 - 2012-12-17 13:39:00 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
And there's the problem: The very nature of nullsec rewards the biggest jerks. The only way to become King of the Jerks is the be the biggest jerk in the kingdom. Even if he wanted to change things he couldn't, because the moment he stopped being the Biggest Jerk then he'd get shot in the back and replaced by someone who was. It can''t be changed... but it's not like they'd even want to.


But it can. It just takes Certain Crazy People to realize that they are the biggest jerks. They are in control. But the other jerks are meta-gaming like there's no tomorrow, which is why there has been next to no change in nullsec. They want to keep things as they are. That has to change, they have to be shut out, to the point that people will be fired, and not shot.

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The other thing that nullbears like to forget is this: Not everyone in EvE is a triple-account no-lifer who lives for e-peen enlargement by bullying others. Y'know some of us have jobs and families and stuff and we really have no desire to get dragged into all the tedious political drama of nullsec. We like to be able to play the game casually and without having to look over our shoulders every two seconds. We play the game for our enjoyment, not theirs - and I believe that is what really makes them sick to their stomachs. Every moment of their EvE life is so totally controlled and anxiety driven that seeing people over in hisec actually having fun - and worse, having fun in a way that isn't exactly like themselves - just offends them on some deep, personal level.


Picture this: You wake up in the morning and go to your job, where you're confined to a restrictive environment where your input is ignored and only your output is appreciated. Your pointy-haired boss makes things hard for you, your co-workers are looking for opportunities to stab you in the back, while competitors are looking to stab you in the face. And if you fail to comply, you're fired. It's exhausting. So you come home, looking for an escape from all of that, and log into EvE Online... where you're doing the exact same thing, in the exact same environment?

For many players, living in null-sec is not only a chore, it's also a pyramid scam or a Ponzi scheme to boot. And the real reason that the big alliances are lobbying for changes to highsec is not because of ego or e-peen: It's because the top cats of the alliances are actually making a living being there. I'm talking Real Money, not ISK. So I understand perfectly that they don't want to rock their own boat, even if it makes every other player in EvE suffer.

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And nullbears, you can't win this one. Sure, you control all the CSM seats. You can use that power to nerf hisec until there is no one left playing there at all. And you'll know what will happen then? The carebears won't come join you and your obsessive lifestyle. We'll just quit. Find other games, or, I dunno, spend more time gardening or something.


Sadly this is true.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#59 - 2012-12-17 13:42:05 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
This argument is so tired and lame, but because my side can form coherent arguments, sometimes fantastically destructive and silencing arguments that the opposition can, at best, ignore, is why hi-sec apologists always sound ******** to my ears.

Sorry about your terrible play style and/or possibly mental defficiencies.

Well thanks for reading, God willing you empire-dwelling people get popped by miniluv now and then to remind you that you're an impotent wretch in a game that's made for people like us.

Well, it's 4:30am here, so good night, and try not to haul PLEX in freighters noobs peace.


thats most elitist piece of sjit i ve ever read in all gaming forums i ve ever been to in about 6 years Bear

+1 to you good sir,would read again
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-12-17 13:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: RomeStar
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
How to make adjustments to null and highsec at the same time, the right way:

Boil the frog slowly.

If you just release a patch that majorly nerfs highsec and causes null to sprout isk fountains (presumably to encourage people to move to nullsec,) you risk the empire-bound majority mass-quitting in carebear outrage.

So don't do that. Instead, just quietly sneak small changes into Eve's patches. Maybe one patch decreases highsec asteroid yield by 2% and boosts nullsec roids by 2%. Maybe the next patch moves 5% of the veldspar in highsec to null. Make the changes gradual, and carebears won't notice because they're morons. Patch after patch, the value of highsec is nibbled away, while the reasons for moving to null keep growing.




So nerf highsec slowly and slowly watch players unsub untill you elites are the only ones playing. Yeah let me know how that works out for you.


Why dont the goons just create there own spaceship game that way they all can leave to go play that and EVE will be fun again. Oh thats right they are no that smart and honestly how many would actually jump ship for a crappy coded goon game LOL.

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