EVE General Discussion

It's a trick, they don't care about the newbies.

Not true, there are many buffs to null industry that have next to nothing to do with high sec. Station factory slots being the most glaring. Getting off topic here.



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Actually most buffs can't work without nerfing highsec.

Refine rates.....can't buff beyond the 100% you get in highsec.

Fees for installing jobs.....can't create a taxable base for them in nullsec without adjusting highsec fees upward.

Anoms & ratting..........As much as I would like to make 250mil per hr out here in null with a tengu, that probably wouldn't be good for the game's economy. So once again highsec will have to be balanced there.

Transport.............highsec has a huge advantage in that you can autopilot your freightor into jita to pick up your mins and autopilot back and install your job. in your all-in-one station

POS's.......highsec POS's are almost immune to a wardec even if the owner is semi-comatose. In low/null, our warning is 30 dreads dropping on the tower.

but then they would loose all the multiboxing botters

newbies mine scordite,not veld

its 9 hours past downtime,there are still a lot of veld asteroids in belts...scordite will vanish in about 3-4 hours after reset

btw: i have seen maybe two or three hulk+orca in a week,so i doubt its a big problem

Don't let them miss on their mental masturbations.

Never really thought of it as a triangle, but the fun is one of the rewards. I agree, eve needs more fun all around as part of balancing it out.






Bubble safe? When was the last time you put 20 bil at risk for your daily activity? When was the last time one of your most expensive ships got tackled, by an "ally"? All part of my daily risk, which I am willing to take. As I have said before, I want more risk in null than I take now. It needs to be risk that can be mitigated, overcome, and provide rewards, not neccesarily increased isk.





Don't bother messing with the refine rates, just change the contents of ores. That's actually my next post that I'm still writing.





Im hating? I'm posting about what I believe many people misunderstand and overlook.

more isk? you made 100 bil since may? grats

I've never said you should have to move to low/null to continue having fun in eve. I'm saying that people need to consider all of what goes into doing something, and all of what they get out of it, not just time in the belt/plex and how much isk the recieve.





It is true that I have never lost a mission running ship in empire. I lost 2 ratting ravens back in the day, as a null noob ratter. I have never lost a mining ship in null; only because they are in the POS as soon as hostiles show up.

You're still not looking at the big picture, the extras that go into allowing me that time where I am able to mine.

null space is mostly empty? in three years of living in null in five different regions, I rarely see a day where I am not interrupted at least once, normally 2-3 times. Sometimes it's only 5 minutes, sometimes its the rest of the day.

Its just, when I read your posts and every similar post I've seen, the entire 'reward' that you write about is in-game reward in terms of LP or ISK. These kinds of post always seem to miss the whole point of playing games. Some people get so obsessed with the in-game rewards that an MMO offers (as a way of producing the addiction that the MMO producer needs to keep the cashflow up) that they forget about having fun. I guess similar to drug addiction... People don't smoke tobacco because it gets them high (it did in the beginning, very slightly); they smoke it so they can feel normal.

I've noticed that some people don't seem to understand is that any nerf to hi sec mining will probably increase profit for the miners themselves. Anything that drives that price of Tirt even higher is going to make us more money per load, and we well pull it in as fast as we can. Everynow and again someone complains that the value of Hi Sec ores is out of sync with Null and Low ores. And they seem to think that less mining in HI Sec will somehow fix this

(heck, alot of people complaining about how the price of bare ship hulls has doubled or more in the last year, there is still one guy posting in GD here that thinks they are still too cheap, and he can't make a profit making them, his answer to that is to nerf hi sec industry )

As I see it, risk is just a mathematical question. In it's simplicity: risk = threat / volume.

Want to remove risk? Make all nullsec to be lowsec, then create huge new nullsec outside. Maybe infinite. Nullsec could be selfgenerating by exploration, and infrastructure all player buildt and fueled. The most dangerous place would now perhaps be highsec.

Not saying it should be like that. Just giving you a different angle than boost this, nerf that, stop ruin my gameplay argue.

I have lived in lowsec, and believe it is working as intended. You learn stuff, get friends and invitation to nullsec. Alternatively, you get attention, it gets hard and then the forementioned. Rewards are there, any playstyle you choose, except stupid.

Nice thread.