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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#61 - 2012-12-17 09:00:02 UTC
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CCP Falcon
#62 - 2012-12-17 09:26:17 UTC

While I understand this is a topic that generates a lot of very extreme feelings from members of the Community, keep it civil and don't spam.

If you're going to contribute, do so in a coherent and civil manner. Posting one liners will be regarded as spam and treated as such.

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Matthew97
#63 - 2012-12-17 09:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
CCP Falcon wrote:

While I understand this is a topic that generates a lot of very extreme feelings from members of the Community, keep it civil and don't spam.

If you're going to contribute, do so in a coherent and civil manner. Posting one liners will be regarded as spam and treated as such.





Don't troll - CCP Falcon


With regards to arenas, it kinda ruins the PVP idea of EvE and isn't needed.

Go to null / low sec or organize one with a corpy
pussnheels
Viziam
#64 - 2012-12-17 09:43:11 UTC
can somebody points out to the OP the fastest route to low sec or nullsec , also heared that FW has alot of pewpew

losing doesn't hurt you know , maybe it s time you took some real risk

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-12-17 09:54:15 UTC
Ok so lets say 'Arenas' is something that is going to happen if we like it or not. Perhaps we can discuss what it should and should not be and maybe, just maybe we could help define what would be acceptable... dare I say... wanted?

I will go first.

Any player should be able to place bets on all matches without having to use some 3rd party, i.e. Chribba, to handle it. It should be a slick UI mechanic too.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#66 - 2012-12-17 10:18:18 UTC
Biomass your characters and unsub, wiggin. You're playing the wrong game.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#67 - 2012-12-17 11:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
One of the main reason why EvE is real (and fun) is just because fights are a serious business and losses are "real" (even if in a game setting). And there's no derogation to this, never. Is a conflict simulator not a sport simulator. In EvE setting New Eden people compete over resource, struggle for life, profit, power, politic. There's no "let's frag just for fun".

Same as in real world there's aircraft or navy combat done "just for sport".

Any premade arena type area or mechanic is not only disruptive for the game logic, canons and "culture" but also for the game immersion feeling.
Luke Visteen
#68 - 2012-12-17 11:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Luke Visteen
just get a corporation and go to low / null. you won't need arenas.

And fair pvp happens only in RTS / FPS games.

And if someone is getting ganked 24/7 he is doing something wrong.

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AKilla Sunday
EVE Corporation 98582134
#69 - 2012-12-17 11:27:42 UTC
Seed markets with POS like shielded modules. Kinda like the warp bubbles but with more diameter. Allow anchoring only in high and make it so that the fuel costs allot, or that the ''arena'' despawns after a given time. Make it so that all pilots wishing to participate on the duel must be in some kind of range of the ''arena'' click some window to agree to duel and with the terms(say - there are 10 ships eligible to fight - agree? .... or something) for the duel to begin.

There is great potential in this(isk sink, fun). All you arena nay sayers think about it.


Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#70 - 2012-12-17 11:34:53 UTC
A portable mobile safe area bubble??? Are you serious?

Then why not just some isanced battleground with a queue when one can join and a countdown to start fights. "3, 2, 1... for the horde!"
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#71 - 2012-12-17 11:39:13 UTC
I think what the OP is trying to say is to have a kind of 'Colosseum' in space where you duke it out within fixed parameters and use phrases like 'Are you not entertained?' while gaining money and fame . It could have merit as in real society throughout history, war is war, but duelling for prizes ala Fight Club/UFC could be equally fun and entertaining (like watching 2 guys pummel each other to death for monehs).

In true Eve fashion, it would be costly to lose for the 'gladiator' as well as those who bet - Las Vegas in Space. Think of the gambling options. The word 'Arena' however I hate, because it has connotations of fake pvp seen in mostly crap MMOs like WoW. However, this is far different than anything goes pvp there must be strict regulations otherwise it's rather pointless. It's a different dimension to pvp the way I see it.
AKilla Sunday
EVE Corporation 98582134
#72 - 2012-12-17 11:43:42 UTC
[quote=Sura Sadiva]A portable mobile safe area bubble??? Are you serious?

Then why not just some isanced battleground with a queue when one can join and a countdown to start fights. "3, 2, 1... for the horde!"

[/quote


Because it sounds more real that way. Because there are allot of carebears that would love to blow some of their huge piles of ISK on this but will not otherwise via the low/null route or even high sec wars because of all the blobbing or the high sec shannanigans that the complex system allows.
AKilla Sunday
EVE Corporation 98582134
#73 - 2012-12-17 11:47:40 UTC
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
The word 'Arena' however I hate


Yes its a disgusting term by reading it trough the WOW prism i agree.

But intellectuals must talk peasant from time to time when talking about exotic things as these and their universe lacks such concepts.
Leah Solo
Lag No Use
#74 - 2012-12-17 12:02:26 UTC
People who want arenas are the same ones who want EVE on easy mode. Cause arranging fights using existent mechanics is too hard. Cause joining RvB is too hard. Cause making 'Arena' corp and arrange fights within is too hard. Cause going on a test server is a mystery. Cause learning the mechanics of lowsec and null, or god forbid learn survival techniques in those areas, to kill and not to be killed is hard. 'What is that you say? Asking that mean piwate who destroyed my ship for some tips? Blasphemy!'

But you are affraid and lazy to do that. So you want your instant gratification arenas. You want your safe environments. You want your easy win button. But basically, what you don't really want is EVE Online.
AKilla Sunday
EVE Corporation 98582134
#75 - 2012-12-17 12:27:21 UTC
Leah Solo wrote:



Kinda like have our cake and eat it.

It's just an idea. And don't blame me for putting it out. For all I care CPP starts treads like these on random alts when something like this is on their drawing board but it's not something terribly popular with the subscribers. How else this got 2 blue responses and a sticker.

And again, how are rich EVE wise pilots gonna blow their, for lack of a better word, MASSIVE piles of isk? I know I rather pay 1.5 cost of my ship or even more to enjoy a fair fight without all the blob, disco camps, alts, neutral alts, station games and the 2 hour roam that ends badly. I am bad at pvp and many more are aswell and are also frustrated about all the above **** that cockblocks our urge to screw with our isk.

But don't take me too serious, I will do the same for you. In the end CPP gives a rats ass about my random thoughts or yours cause all they fundamentally care about is selling monthly for cash and loads of PLEX. There is a huge potential for CCP to achieve that trough this arena concept. Anything else CCP says about eve is politics(just like in politics).

And there is room in between CCP's principles and the WOW and such marked for life people principles for everyone else.

Peace
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-12-17 12:40:28 UTC
One of my favourite events in Eve was in Nullsec when I was with BDEAL. The Thunderdome!

2 Ship enter 1 Ship leave!

We need more Thunderdomes.......

Kill it with Fire!

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#77 - 2012-12-17 14:33:08 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.


Instead of flat out instanced arenas - what this game needs imo is a system built off of the already existing contract system whereby people can enter into engagements of any size by mutually consent - call it a memorandum of aggression. The way I envision it - if any two people or groups of people want to engage in a fight they should be able to agree to it and there should be a form contract which defines such things as ship types and numbers, systems involved, and time limit of the engagement. There could even be bets built into it - each side puts up a certain amount of isk and based upon the defined win condition, the isk would be claimed at the end of the contest. IMO - the benefit of such a system is that it allows people to engage in voluntary combat without the gimpyness of the war dec and suspect systems while keeping the participants in the eve universe instead of some instance. OFC this being eve, other folk might try to interfere but that is the price of a single universe system.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-12-17 14:44:22 UTC
If someone wants to start a tournament then they should.

The problem that players run up against is that they start realizing that the logistics of providing a secure environment for a tournament are extremely difficult. You'd have to secure the system and the adjacent systems. If players wanted to watch they'd all have to be in, essentially, shuttles.

Arena guards would have to be ready to pop shuttles that tried to interfere with the contestants.

Contestants themselves would have to either be held on a station, in a POS, or out of system until the time of the match-up.

It could be done now but it would take an awful lot of effort to make it secure.

I wouldn't mind seeing a function in WiS that would allow one to watch a view screen that is linked to some sort of camera drone. In this situation, the logistics for player run tournaments are -much- easier. Have all the viewers in a stations and only worry about the contestants in 0.0 or low sec. You could find a dead-end system, bubble up the corridor, patrol it with scouts, and have retreat locations designated in case someone managed to crash the party. But, it would be far more feasible this way.

Walking in Stations - the possibilities are endless. :)

I don't like any solution that would create 'separate' space for an arena or tournament grounds. With EVE players being EVE players it is almost guaranteed that someone would find a way to 'creatively use' such a space.

I like any effort on CCP's that would encourage and support player initiatives to running such events.
Talemecus Valta
Fraternity Academy
#79 - 2012-12-17 14:50:26 UTC
Having a seperate Arena system in EVE would defeat the idea of the game.

I've tried one mmo which has arenas in it, and the match was very one sided.

Also there is the logistics of the putting arenas into place if CCP should do this.

For one, there is the programming, CCP would have to do a whole load of programming to implement and effective Arena system that everyone could use.

There is also the matchmaking system, everyone's ships are different, different modules and weapons, unless CCP instigate a ship for ship, module for module system, there will always be a one sided fight somewhere.

Not to mention the servers too, there might be more downtime required to do whatever CCP do, when downtime is running.

The mmo arena I tried connected to a different server, so that could mean CCP having a whole dedicated server to Arenas, and building a server isn't cheap these days.

There a loads more reasons for not to do this idea, and plenty of reasons as to why CCP should.

In the end, it'll be the players choice to go into the Arena or not.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#80 - 2012-12-17 14:51:01 UTC
AKilla Sunday wrote:
[quote=Sura Sadiva]A portable mobile safe area bubble??? Are you serious?

Then why not just some isanced battleground with a queue when one can join and a countdown to start fights. "3, 2, 1... for the horde!"

[/quote


Because it sounds more real that way. Because there are allot of carebears that would love to blow some of their huge piles of ISK on this but will not otherwise via the low/null route or even high sec wars because of all the blobbing or the high sec shannanigans that the complex system allows.


That's a load of absolute crap and you know it. This group you reference is entirely fictional. They do not exist. There's already a lot of different ways to get pvp, the fact that these people DON'T go out and spend their isk on pvp isn't because the mechanics aren't there, it's because they're pvp averse carebears. There's no point in adding stuff thats only a hairs breadth away from instanced garbage to appease a group that literally doesn't exist