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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Kenpachi Viktor
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-12-17 03:07:37 UTC
Arenas could be done as a separate game - FtP, no sandbox, with matchmaking. skills/ships/fittings acquired/lost as per Dust 514.

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Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus
#42 - 2012-12-17 03:11:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kanta Kansene
Two ships enter, one will leave! We'll sell you the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge! Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! I think an environment that promotes 1vs1 pvp without interference would be pretty nifty. Make the interior of the arena a separate "system" from the exterior to remove OGB and have some sort of interface to choose the format (1v1, 2vs2, etc...asteroid field, station wreckage, drone hive...)

Not promoting any rewards beyond bragging rights, mind you, this is solely for the spirit I believe was intended by the OP...entertainment for the people doing the PVP, no outside interference, and some way to televise the events to those screens out in space and to the CQ
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#43 - 2012-12-17 03:19:35 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1.


If you and your duelling partner are the only two people in local, you can guarantee 1v1.

If you and your partner are in the same corporation, you can guarantee 1v1.

Thus your principle claim is easily falsified. Your argument has no merit.

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Bluetippedflyer
Fallen Rabbits
#44 - 2012-12-17 03:21:53 UTC
no
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-17 03:31:31 UTC
People forget, arenas in other games aren't part of the actual game world.

There would be nothing wrong with it in EVE, done EVE style.

A couple designated systems, NPC's tied to directing the mechanids.

You would sign up, and be required to be there.

People would be losing ships.


Don't think WoW arenas.

Think Jita, but everyone is watching people blow each other up, in the EVE equivilant of a boxing match. Everything in the system would be there to support structured matches between capsuleers.

Lineage 2 had stuff like this. It was actually nice, because it was taking place in the world; you could see it happening. It was nothing like arenas in WoW, Rift, or EQ2.


And they said they've talked about this internally at the last CSM thingy, if I recall.
Orzo Torasson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-12-17 03:36:46 UTC
EVE already has an arena like this and it's quite hard for people to find.
The easy way to tell if you have stumbled across it is to look at the top left corner of your screen, there will be a number there.
If it's 0.4 or lower, congratulations! You've found it.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#47 - 2012-12-17 04:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



I find it ironic that you suggest the ones that don't sit at their desks playing in space constantly are couch potatoes. Smile

..but regardless, I'm not sure I like this. There's a middlesec thread around here where I posted something similar though. No 1.0 or 0.9, or whatever arenas though; just a limited engagement flagging system for lower security level highsec.

edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2333031#post2333031
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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#48 - 2012-12-17 04:11:03 UTC
Orzo Torasson wrote:
EVE already has an arena like this and it's quite hard for people to find.
The easy way to tell if you have stumbled across it is to look at the top left corner of your screen, there will be a number there.
If it's 0.4 or lower, congratulations! You've found it.


No, it's not, and you're mistaken.

0.4 and lower is for cap blobbing and fleets, not for 1 v 1, though if you can find a quiet spot you might have the opportunity for it.. but then, if you're getting someone to go have a scrap with and flying out to the nearest lowsec, it kind of ruins the flavor I imagine.

Highsec had station games yes, but since Crimewatch 2.0 those are obsolete with suspect flags for opening cans and no way to otherwise create a limited engagement that is truly limited. That's a pretty big chunk of player interest, (whatever its value), chucked out the window with that change.

Dodixie, Rens, Aunia, and other places all had some degree of 1v1 until that happened. Even Jita did, though more often it was cheating and finding ways to avoid risk on the part of a number of those interested. Still, it was something thy did. 
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Erika Bronz
Nidaros Fritidsforening
#49 - 2012-12-17 04:58:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#50 - 2012-12-17 05:14:34 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.




I think it would be grand, though draw much ire of the purists, if there was a simulation mode in the stations. That is, "a simulator within a simulator" if you look at the game as a simulator.

This would certainly get accused of being "no loss PVP", and there is a test server for this purpose, but it would be a nice feature to be able to enter a combat simulation mode with other players to test out a fit without having to port to the test server.

I don't imagine the overhead would be easy. Just one of those "gee, wouldn't it be nice" sort of things.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-12-17 05:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with this thing, if players are running them, they will nerd rage so hard.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-12-17 05:27:37 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard.


Griefing is a bannable offence. If it won't get you banned then it's not griefing. Also, what is 'need rage'?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2012-12-17 05:34:56 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard.


Griefing is a bannable offence. If it won't get you banned then it's not griefing. Also, what is 'need rage'?



Probably meant "nerd rage".

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Maelle LuzArdiden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-12-17 05:42:23 UTC
Nobody cares about arenas or watching meaningless spaceship combat sports.

Focus on increasing and improving gameplay objectives for small and medium sized organisations, things to have real fights over.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#55 - 2012-12-17 06:16:36 UTC
Something just occurred to me.


In the state I live in, Washington USA, there is a law regarding "Mutual combat". That is, if I and someone else decide to beat the crap out of each other, it's totally legal. There was a case recently with a local "superhero" called Phoenix Jones, who battled it out with a thug while the cops watched. (the news people wrung their hands over it, saying that the law should be changed, - real world carbearism at it's finest).

Of course, this would suck to most people but perhaps it's time to have a "duel" option like in (don't get sick now) WoW? Basically a person on person combat agreement that leaves Concorde response out of it. It would be a good way to get some combat for testing fits without having to be in the same corp, can flip and get suspect flagged, etc.

Just an idea. I now go and don the asbestos panties (with lace - hubba hubba).


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Luis Graca
#56 - 2012-12-17 06:29:26 UTC
If people actually want that they just need to create a chat channel to arrange fights, and i'm only say because i have no idea on how the RvB thing ended

But then again it maybe be difficult to think a little when they can just cry for stuff
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-12-17 06:37:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard.


Griefing is a bannable offence. If it won't get you banned then it's not griefing. Also, what is 'need rage'?



Probably meant "nerd rage".

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Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus
#58 - 2012-12-17 06:50:36 UTC
Maelle LuzArdiden wrote:
Nobody cares about arenas or watching meaningless spaceship combat sports.

Focus on increasing and improving gameplay objectives for small and medium sized organisations, things to have real fights over.


It seems that some people do
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-12-17 07:24:44 UTC
OP wants an arena without 2xPLEX entry fee.
Something tells me that it's not gonna happen anytime soon Smile

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-12-17 07:32:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies.


^ this

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