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Nullsec is a ghetto.
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Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2012-12-17 04:33:29 UTC
So, Null Sec's a ghetto. The facilities there are run down, its run by anarchic gangs, and everyone there is poor. Ugh

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So, instead of proclaiming 'nurf highsec. nurf nurf nurf nuurf.'

Why not fix Nullsec by buffing it up to be better then High Sec? Instead of making it less profitable to live somewhere, why not make other places better to live? If the crappiest parts of Nullsec are as profitable as Highsec, then things will get better. Make the zones that are better then other places in Nullsec, buff those accordingly.

Low sec? I mean, ****, I wish I knew how to posit an idea to fix that place.


Before anyone asks, yes, I was in Nullsec, where Cascade Imminent was. But I saw the writing on the wall and gtfo'd.
iskflakes
#2 - 2012-12-17 04:36:47 UTC
This is very true.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-17 04:38:29 UTC
Because it's a stupid "everybody wins" approach and CCP needs to stop with this welfare nonsense?

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2012-12-17 04:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aestivalis Saidrian
Why? Outside of Delve, Nullsec's generally a **** place to live. I was there. I was like "Seriously? **** this place. Its not worth attempting to hold Sov. Or do anything."

If 71% of the populace thinks Nullsec is a crappy place to go, then something's wrong.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#5 - 2012-12-17 04:40:08 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
Why not fix Nullsec by buffing it up to be better then High Sec?


A lot of people have been wondering the same thing. Risk vs. reward and all. It's a mystery Oops

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-17 04:42:45 UTC
The reason for the discussion of nerfing highsec is that highsec is so good, that a balanced buff to nullsec would be so huge it would threaten to blow up the economy.

Can't just increase rat bounties without causing inflation

Can't throw super-ore in there without screwing up that market the way drone alloys did

Can't drop more top shelf rat loot without devaluing it

etc
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2012-12-17 04:48:34 UTC
But on the other hand, if you nerf Highsec, you have the very real possibility of losing money, which in turns screws errybody. The economy's already based heavily in Highsec.

To my knowledge, most Sov holders important guns, beans and bullets from Highsec. To that end, if its easier to make liquid cash in Nullsec, you could increase the number of ships, etc. bought.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#8 - 2012-12-17 04:49:02 UTC
Let them eat cake.

Yeeee! 
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-17 04:50:59 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
its run by anarchic gangs.


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Imports Plus
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-17 04:52:49 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
But on the other hand, if you nerf Highsec, you have the very real possibility of losing money, which in turns screws errybody. The economy's already based heavily in Highsec.

To my knowledge, most Sov holders important guns, beans and bullets from Highsec. To that end, if its easier to make liquid cash in Nullsec, you could increase the number of ships, etc. bought.


I am absolutely positive that all the "I'm quitting and taking my 10 miner accounts if you nerf me" guys will still be playing long after any balancing passes. It's more apathy and lack of a coherent vision for 0.0 than anything.
EVIL SQUISHY
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-17 05:05:11 UTC


I do it fo da hood erryday....


erry...day dawg.

Shout out to my neeuz in Fountain, dem TEST boyz, ya dig
Shout out to my neeuz in Deklein, DIRTY DEK, dawg, ,yeeyuh.....

erryday.

Fo da hood.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-12-17 05:07:06 UTC
Imports Plus wrote:
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
But on the other hand, if you nerf Highsec, you have the very real possibility of losing money, which in turns screws errybody. The economy's already based heavily in Highsec.

To my knowledge, most Sov holders important guns, beans and bullets from Highsec. To that end, if its easier to make liquid cash in Nullsec, you could increase the number of ships, etc. bought.


I am absolutely positive that all the "I'm quitting and taking my 10 miner accounts if you nerf me" guys will still be playing long after any balancing passes. It's more apathy and lack of a coherent vision for 0.0 than anything.


I literally can't understand the mind of someone who actually wants to mine in this game. It's like ratting. It's not a thing I want to be doing, it's a thing I have to do in order to do the things I want to be doing.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#13 - 2012-12-17 05:17:38 UTC
How to make adjustments to null and highsec at the same time, the right way:

Boil the frog slowly.

If you just release a patch that majorly nerfs highsec and causes null to sprout isk fountains (presumably to encourage people to move to nullsec,) you risk the empire-bound majority mass-quitting in carebear outrage.

So don't do that. Instead, just quietly sneak small changes into Eve's patches. Maybe one patch decreases highsec asteroid yield by 2% and boosts nullsec roids by 2%. Maybe the next patch moves 5% of the veldspar in highsec to null. Make the changes gradual, and carebears won't notice because they're morons. Patch after patch, the value of highsec is nibbled away, while the reasons for moving to null keep growing.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-12-17 05:18:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
Because it's a stupid "everybody wins" approach and CCP needs to stop with this welfare nonsense?


Amen.

And here we go with this nonsense again. Can you people really not remember how it was when you could militarily upgrade every system the same as every other AND Titan/Scimitar combos made 3-500 mil an hour?

Not that null can't use some industry fixes, but the problem now is High Sec isk making being to much and too easy, nothing else.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2012-12-17 05:36:22 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I literally can't understand the mind of someone who actually wants to mine in this game. It's like ratting. It's not a thing I want to be doing, it's a thing I have to do in order to do the things I want to be doing.

Eh wouldn't really mind it that bad. If it's worth it or not is the more important issue...

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#16 - 2012-12-17 05:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:


Can't just increase rat bounties without causing inflation


Replace bounties with LPs (all rats... hi/low/null). => Huge LP rewards from low/null rats

Quote:
Can't throw super-ore in there without screwing up that market the way drone alloys did


I agree - remove any loot from hisec rats, so they couldnt be reprocessed.

Quote:
Can't drop more top shelf rat loot without devaluing it


It doesnt need to.... faction spawns are quite frequent.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-12-17 05:43:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I literally can't understand the mind of someone who actually wants to mine in this game. It's like ratting. It's not a thing I want to be doing, it's a thing I have to do in order to do the things I want to be doing.

Eh wouldn't really mind it that bad. If it's worth it or not is the more important issue...


It's okay, if their isn't anything better to do, and you can do it mostly afk, while you watch a movie or listen to a podcast.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#18 - 2012-12-17 05:43:59 UTC
Who is west / east side?

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-12-17 05:47:04 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Imports Plus wrote:
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
But on the other hand, if you nerf Highsec, you have the very real possibility of losing money, which in turns screws errybody. The economy's already based heavily in Highsec.

To my knowledge, most Sov holders important guns, beans and bullets from Highsec. To that end, if its easier to make liquid cash in Nullsec, you could increase the number of ships, etc. bought.


I am absolutely positive that all the "I'm quitting and taking my 10 miner accounts if you nerf me" guys will still be playing long after any balancing passes. It's more apathy and lack of a coherent vision for 0.0 than anything.


I literally can't understand the mind of someone who actually wants to mine in this game. It's like ratting. It's not a thing I want to be doing, it's a thing I have to do in order to do the things I want to be doing.


Mining is not enjoyable but it's a pretty safe income. I do some because I know I can't really mess it up like my trade orders when I always mix fees and taxes numbers killing most of my profits anyway.
Vallista
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-12-17 05:55:17 UTC
I have to wonder, how many of you folks who don't understand the monotony of mining, missioning or whatever and live for pvp have shot a pos?
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