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Is it even possible to get into a corp these days without full API submission?
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-12-17 01:52:28 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Donn Red wrote:

Ginger Barbarella wrote:


Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!

The charade is just foolish at this point.


If you're worth spying on/stealing from, people are going to get in.


My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.

Uh, no. API key means that anybody that wants to spy on you or steal from you needs to put in more effort. Otherwise anybody could get in with minimal effort.

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galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-12-17 01:53:32 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Usagi Toshiro wrote:
No API needed to join us in RvB...pew pew for all!

Do you even have anything worth stealing?




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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2012-12-17 02:01:11 UTC
An hour of voice chat is worth more than an any API key.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Merouk Baas
#24 - 2012-12-17 02:29:47 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ! The charade is just foolish at this point.


Actually the discussion goes more like this, for me:

"We need your full API before joining."
"Ok give me the CEO's full API and I'll give you mine."
"No."
"Then no."
"Bye."
"Bye."
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2012-12-17 02:46:08 UTC
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-12-17 02:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?

Uh, privacy stuff, I guess.

We don't give full API, but all the important stuff, I don't even remember. Let me have a look.

AccountStatus
CharacterInfo
SkillQueue
SkillInTraining
CharacterSheet
AssetList
KillLog

Lol, kill log.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#27 - 2012-12-17 03:04:51 UTC
Quote:
Is it even possible to get into a corp these days without full API submission?

Yes.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#28 - 2012-12-17 03:06:18 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:


My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.


Yes. It eliminates all the bad spies/corp thieves.

The good ones will never get caught until it's too late. But API is a screening test, not a definitive test.
Rez Valintine
The Virus Vault
#29 - 2012-12-17 03:07:27 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?


Lol, kill log.



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I was drunk last night.....
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#30 - 2012-12-17 03:09:36 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:


My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.


Yes. It eliminates all the bad spies/corp thieves.

The good ones will never get caught until it's too late. But API is a screening test, not a definitive test.

If you're looking to keep the riff-raff out, I s'pose it might help. But not so much as you might think.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-17 03:13:09 UTC
API also doesn't make up for poor setup in the corporation.

IF someone with less then director rights steals billions from your corp then it has nothing to do with API.
It means you left the door wide open.

If anything API really is meaningless until you start getting lots of corporation rights.
If you had a corporation and you requested that all the directors give each other full access API's it would make sense.

Asking for the full API just to get into a corp and have no rights.
Waste of time

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-12-17 03:17:29 UTC
Donn Red wrote:
I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API. As if that wasn't enough, some want full API for all accounts! My situation is rather unique for quite a number of reasons, and I find the prospect of giving out all of my API keys extremely unsettling.

Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?

I also don't want to hear about how I fail at compartmentalizing my characters; I know how to transfer items between characters without it appearing on an API. I shouldn't have to act like a spy to get into a corp.


Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?

Hello, corp CEO here. Corps require full API to protect themselves, not because they like nosing around in your business. Really, it's a rather dreadful and dull waste of time to go through someone's stuff to see whether he has "sketchy" ISK transfers.

Why do it then? Because it's important. Background checks are essential when potentially opening your corp up to a malicious insider. That person can AWOX, steal, and tarnish your corp's reputation. I am personally aware a case where an acquaintance of mine infiltrated a whole series of enemy corps, leaving each of them with internal turmoil and lacking several billion ISK of assets. Had those corps done more thorough background checks, they would have been safe.

Of course, I'm not saying a hyper-exhaustive butter-submerging process is always key to corp security. Are some corps overdoing it? Sure. Don't want to deal with that? Don't join them. There are plenty of others who do not have as strict requirements. For example, my corp only requires a select sub-set of API (not the full key), and even then it's mostly for checking loyalty and conflicts of interest, not for protection against theft.

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Merouk Baas
#33 - 2012-12-17 04:51:55 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?


What's so bad in your Facebook when your boss or interviewer asks you for your password?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-12-17 05:07:51 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?


What's so bad in your Facebook when your boss or interviewer asks you for your password?


What the hell? People actually do this?

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Donn Red
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-12-17 05:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Donn Red
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
An hour of voice chat is worth more than an any API key.


I wish I could like your post again. This 1000%.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-12-17 05:18:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?

Uh, privacy stuff, I guess.

We don't give full API, but all the important stuff, I don't even remember. Let me have a look.

AccountStatus
CharacterInfo
SkillQueue
SkillInTraining
CharacterSheet
AssetList
KillLog

Lol, kill log.


You mean I am not supposed to try to hide the fact that I collect exotic dancers?
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#37 - 2012-12-17 05:20:55 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?


What's so bad in your Facebook when your boss or interviewer asks you for your password?


What the hell? People actually do this?

yup
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-12-17 05:23:38 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?


What's so bad in your Facebook when your boss or interviewer asks you for your password?


My boss keep making pranks on my facebook when I forget my phone at my desk so giving him my password would not really change much...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2012-12-17 05:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?

Uh, privacy stuff, I guess.

We don't give full API, but all the important stuff, I don't even remember. Let me have a look.

AccountStatus
CharacterInfo
SkillQueue
SkillInTraining
CharacterSheet
AssetList
KillLog

Lol, kill log.


You mean I am not supposed to try to hide the fact that I collect exotic dancers?

It's used to ensure that people applying for the capital and supercapital group actually have those items.
The skill thing is used to check if they actually have the skills as well. According to the wiki, it's a simple Yes/No check to a list of requirements. (Also, skills checks are used by the reimbursement team as well, where reimbursements require a minimum skill level in some things - fittings obviously are seen in the lossmail.)

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-12-17 05:36:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?

Uh, privacy stuff, I guess.

We don't give full API, but all the important stuff, I don't even remember. Let me have a look.

AccountStatus
CharacterInfo
SkillQueue
SkillInTraining
CharacterSheet
AssetList
KillLog

Lol, kill log.


You mean I am not supposed to try to hide the fact that I collect exotic dancers?

It's used to ensure that people applying for the capital and supercapital group actually have those items.
The skill thing is used to check if they actually have the skills as well. According to the wiki, it's a simple Yes/No check to a list of requirements.


Makes sense. I don't understand why people think hiding some stuff is necessary. If you are going to play in a corp, whats the matter if they know stuff about your toons? If you don't want people to know about them, the NPC corp accept everyone no question asked.