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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-17 00:48:12 UTC
It already exists, it is called the test sever. Go there.

The whole point of EVE pvp is that there is no huge amount of rules telling me how I can pvp like arenas do. Take away all the uncertainty and risk in pvp and you turn it into a boring activity.
Phil Da Agony
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-12-17 00:51:14 UTC
YEAH! Put arenas and let us bet ISK there, but please, the fights will involve only npc ships.

Ty CCP.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#23 - 2012-12-17 00:53:30 UTC
Phil Da Agony wrote:
YEAH! Put arenas and let us bet ISK there, but please, the fights will involve only npc ships.

Ty CCP.



Again, this is something that can be set up and run completely by players. (and the chances for meta gaming would be interesting) Pirate

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Ginger Barbarella
#24 - 2012-12-17 01:01:45 UTC
Why in the freakin' hell would CCP go to the time and expense to put in a mechanic that's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY USELESS given that the mechanics already exist today?!? Why?

Do some of you even think before posting this crap? IF you want an intarwebs spaceships game with the whole "wanna duel?" BS in it, make your own.

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#25 - 2012-12-17 01:12:04 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



You want arenas, then go to the test server.

yk
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#26 - 2012-12-17 01:16:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


You do realize it's dead in EVE too?



Its so dead that the CFC has a dosen fleets up at any one time all getting fights.


No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#27 - 2012-12-17 01:17:13 UTC
Test Server...nuff said

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-12-17 01:28:33 UTC
Ocih wrote:


No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.


PVP

is

dead

Nevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day...
Oberine Noriepa
#29 - 2012-12-17 01:31:30 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
It already exists, it is called the test sever. Go there.

Pretty much.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-12-17 01:40:26 UTC
Ocih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


You do realize it's dead in EVE too?



Its so dead that the CFC has a dosen fleets up at any one time all getting fights.


No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.


Tell us more about PvP being dead in a PvP-centric game. A short, 500-word essay should cover it.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-12-17 02:04:39 UTC
Ocih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies.


You do realize it's dead in EVE too?

An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE.

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ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-12-17 02:06:03 UTC
Ocih wrote:
It's a good idea. Don't let the dedicate griefer entitlement gang tell you otherwise.

There's a difference between going "NO NO NO CHANGE IS BAD" and saying "no" to a terrible idea.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#33 - 2012-12-17 02:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-12-17 02:06:28 UTC
Arenas could be done in such a way as to not adversely affect risk pvp.

First, don't televise the action. Instead make a mechanism to televise real pvp.

Second, zero rewards mechanisms.

Third, allow cheating.

Fourth, make it cost.

Fifth, make it P2W where pants and monocles reign supreme.

Sixth, only allow 1v1 or 10v1 since that's more of the routine in Eve.

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Romvex
TURN LEFT
#35 - 2012-12-17 02:23:04 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

God has spoken. Thread closed.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#36 - 2012-12-17 02:34:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.


PVP

is

dead

Nevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day...


And those few and far between training ops.. I mean battles can still happen with an arena. Keep the spin cycle going though Baltec. CCP chimed in and they see Arena additions as just that too. Additions. Things you can't control. I know, the atrocity of it all.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#37 - 2012-12-17 02:38:19 UTC
The idea of a block of space that players can use that is immune from other players interacting with for their own benefit just doesn't seem very 'EVE' to me. In addition, there should be zero content available from doing it (no shield items, no BPs, no isk, no ships, etc) that is not player supplied or created. Such a system, with a leaderboard and official standings, will be exploited, pointless, and not worth the DEV's time to code.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#38 - 2012-12-17 02:47:18 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
The idea of a block of space that players can use that is immune from other players interacting with for their own benefit just doesn't seem very 'EVE' to me. In addition, there should be zero content available from doing it (no shield items, no BPs, no isk, no ships, etc) that is not player supplied or created. Such a system, with a leaderboard and official standings, will be exploited, pointless, and not worth the DEV's time to code.


"Not very EVE".

You mean that Sand box game that has a variety of things to do?

Or the Blob and grind, blow stuff uppy game where you spin ships 90% of the time?
fukier
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-12-17 02:47:55 UTC
The only way this would work is scrap the arena and replace with enhanced pvp contract system...
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#40 - 2012-12-17 02:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Ocih wrote:
"Not very EVE".

You mean that Sand box game that has a variety of things to do?

Or the Blob and grind, blow stuff uppy game where you spin ships 90% of the time?

That sandbox game that doesn't have player conflict, market trends, or rigid tactics or mechanics rigidly controlled by the game developers. The sandbox game that, instead of having a Horde and an Alliance, allows players to form their own factions, express their own ideas, and follow their own goals. The sandbox game that, instead of giving you solutions to being bored, gives you tools to make your own solutions to being bored.

That sandbox game that does not need a central organized "arena" or dry, limited, and sharded PvP, but may need tools to help players better implement systems in which they can run tournaments/betting.

Now that "limited engagement" is a concept present in Eve, allowing for "gentleman's duel" contracts with public verified details of outcome is only one step away, and would be a massive step towards enabling players to organize their own tournaments.

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