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In a way I find it amusing that people want more high sec dwellers in null-sec, in particular industrialists

In a way I find it amusing that people want more high sec dwellers in null-sec, in particular industrialists and at the same time want more activity of the pew-pew kind. These two wishes simply cannot mix in EVE's current state regardless of how you end up balancing sources of ISK anywhere in the game.

We all know why industrialists avoid low and null-sec. We all know why null-sec (and low-sec) wants more people and activity.

So yeah, it is very amusing indeed. All these wishes that at the same time clash against each other yet everyone seem completely oblivious considering these arguments have been ongoing for who knows how long now.

If you're producing stuff that can't be just jump freightered in, sure.

Then again, just how many supercapitals ~do~ we need?

It's happened before, but pure highsec players are going to compare their rewards to other highsec players for the most part.

The ability to fly a Titan at all is a *huge* gameplay reward that isn't available in highsec, yet you don't hear highsec people whining about how unfair it is that they can't fly Titans.

There are a few gameplay aspects that highsec players do seem to miss, the number of threads in various forums here asking for a ship that plays like a carrier but is at a suitable power level for highsec is pretty significant.

But I'd say that for most players who do the dominant portion of their play in highsec the rewards available in other parts of space are actually irrelevant, as evidenced by actual behaviour over time.

On the other hand, the isk faucet represented by highsec missions scales by the number of characters, so while the reward for an individual character may be unimpressive the player behind him can multi-box missions and multiply that relatively modest payout by as much as they have the technical ability to pull off.

Since there is no equivalent scalable income source in nullsec, this means that *any* profitable payout level in highsec will result in highsec resources being used to fund nullsec wars for the limited resources there, to the extent that interested players are willing and able to do so.

With the predictable result that people who want to try to play the "pure nullsec" game will be frustrated in their ability to do so unless they either have the cooperation of a significant number of highsec players, or manage to control sufficient nullsec resources thet the lack of scalability ceases to be a problem for them (and even then are likely to be annoyed at their highsec-funded opposition).

No actually, it's not "as obvious as the nose on my face".

When Null Sec anoms were first buffed - people moved from Hi-sec to Null-sec, either through renting space, joining renting alliances or joining other corps/alliances already established. In addition, hi-sec money making alts of null sec'ers were moved back to Null - also increasing the Null Sec population (because the money making alt would log in, and live in Null-Sec, not Hi-Sec).

So no, tbqh, most of the Null sec players responding to this thread (and indeed the OP) probably don't give a dam where you (or anyone else for that matter) plays, they just want to be able to build their empires and live in their space.

Pretty obvious, tbqh....

It's happened before, but pure highsec players are going to compare their rewards to other highsec players for the most part.

The ability to fly a Titan at all is a *huge* gameplay reward that isn't available in highsec, yet you don't hear highsec people whining about how unfair it is that they can't fly Titans.

There are a few gameplay aspects that highsec players do seem to miss, the number of threads in various forums here asking for a ship that plays like a carrier but is at a suitable power level for highsec is pretty significant.

But I'd say that for most players who do the dominant portion of their play in highsec the rewards available in other parts of space are actually irrelevant, as evidenced by actual behaviour over time.

On the other hand, the isk faucet represented by highsec missions scales by the number of characters, so while the reward for an individual character may be unimpressive the player behind him can multi-box missions and multiply that relatively modest payout by as much as they have the technical ability to pull off.

Since there is no equivalent scalable income source in nullsec, this means that *any* profitable payout level in highsec will result in highsec resources being used to fund nullsec wars for the limited resources there, to the extent that interested players are willing and able to do so.

With the predictable result that people who want to try to play the "pure nullsec" game will be frustrated in their ability to do so unless they either have the cooperation of a significant number of highsec players, or manage to control sufficient nullsec resources thet the lack of scalability ceases to be a problem for them (and even then are likely to be annoyed at their highsec-funded opposition).
I have a question.

You've got a guy that wants to do science and industry. He plays EVE because he likes to build and sell stuff. He doesn't mind the PvP, and he understands that that playstyle is not significantly impacted by "risk" regardless of where he plays. He could play in null with the same realative safety as he has playing in high sec.

What do you tell that guy to get him to do building and selling in null sec?

And if he asked you, how much can I make building and selling stuff in null compared to high sec?




I know that I'm not the only person with my playstyle, and I know that there are a LOT of people who play EVE the same way I do.

Also, if you were me, where would you run your own PoS? Would you recomend I do it with this guy, or make a corp with my alt and use her in high sec? For the purpose of ISK generating. I don't want "ideal" suggestion, just the average run of the mill guy; what would you suggest for him.




Anyone can feel free to answer the specific questions.
I"m genuinely curious.

Thanks for the input.

I discuss this in point 2 in my list. There are loads of industrialists in Null, just not enough to make the Null alliances autonomous.

IMO this attitude is a big problem ATM, trying to split the game down the middle into the safe industrial zone and the pvp arena. I want to go the other way and mix everyone up.

Apparently, you have a difficulty in reading the OP's post as he actively calls for a high sec nerf. If you had read the post at all, it is clear he DOES give a damn how high sec players play and and does not "just want to live in their space". If he were actually interested in a risk reward balance , why call for high sec nerfs only, and not more null sec buffs? Frankly I havent seen you offer one solution for null sec buffs, which makes you irrelevant.