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Lestatra
5th Engineering Corps
#1 - 2012-12-12 20:33:59 UTC
The Crime Watch session timer has opened the door to a new game for the station campers and the grief driven players in Eve, since the session timer stops the player being aggressed from being able to dock it turns into an instant kill mail for the player/players involved. Its pure fun for the station campers and grief'rs, but its hell on the regular player commonly known as a care bear. I will only say that Retribution has some really good ideas but they are not in anyway fair to the players being aggressed, because with them also receiving a suspect flag they now become a sitting duck surrounded by a pool of duck hunters in space. Why is it that the player being aggressed gets flagged, it is for the right to shoot back rather you live or die and you must make sure your safeties are at least yellow or off to return fire. Just another step in Death Race Eve... You may as well have said Eve is now fully committed to pvp i and just asked the miners and care bears to leave; but it is what it is.

What ever happened to the one on one fights where a player has a chance vs these station games for easy kill mails? Station games players have become nothing more than a bunch of overbearing locust trying, to bleed the life out of infinitely spawning food and calling it fun. As much ridicule and hate mail I'll get for saying this, i believe that no ships should be allowed to be targeted or shot near a station unless its in Null space, for low sec does not not mean Crime & Punishment doesn't apply where the stations themselves should have law enforcement.

This ladies and gentleman concludes my soapbox moment .
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2012-12-12 20:38:12 UTC
Not sure if OP is the griefer who now finds his station gaming to be useless, or the carebear who finds out that highsec doesnt mean safety anymore.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Poloturion
Genco Pura Olive Oil Company.
#3 - 2012-12-12 20:41:25 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Not sure if OP is the griefer who now finds his station gaming to be useless, or the carebear who finds out that highsec doesnt mean safety anymore.


Can't say I care either way tbh.

To the OP: This sort of rant in C&P typically goes nowhere beyond people making fun of you. I suggest a different subforum.

Also, please fix POS.
Lestatra
5th Engineering Corps
#4 - 2012-12-12 20:47:24 UTC
LMAO sticks and stones let them be brash and say what they will, this is Eve so rather i say something they like or not there will always be those who have nothing better to do then to say negative things.
Domineren
Knights Of the Ruined Empire
#5 - 2012-12-12 20:58:21 UTC
I'd have to say that the crimewatch helped carebears in a way. Now whenever a corp wardecs their carebear corp, then they dont have to worry about neutral logi sitting on station repping their enemies. Also, I believe that if you are aggroed to someone and you are trying to play station games, your ship SHOULD get an aggression timer. This stops all the station games and ensures one way or another that someone is going to die.

Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....

Ex-Rebirth....and miner.  Fight me.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2012-12-12 22:03:56 UTC
Your post doesn't make any sense. If you don't initiate any aggression whatsoever, but you become aggressed, you are still able to dock without session timer (you will still have an limited engagement timer).

Unless you find yourself immediately in a pod, then you just experienced a session timer and you need to warp the hell out.

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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#7 - 2012-12-13 00:30:45 UTC
Posting in a thread.

Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-12-13 03:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Lestatra wrote:
The Crime Watch session timer has opened the door to a new game for the station campers and the grief driven players in Eve, since the session timer stops the player being aggressed from being able to dock it turns into an instant kill mail for the player/players involved.

I'm trying to understand this better, but what you're saying is when someone attacks you and if you attack back, you get the 1m timer that doesn't allow you to dock up? Is that what you're saying? If this is the case, just fly around for 1m. Warp to random places with random range (I'm assuming you won if you're trying to dock, or at least able to escape). If this isn't what you're saying, I'm lost.

According to a third party site the aggressor is the one who receives the Weapon Timer which inhibits the aggressor from being able to dock/activate gate until 1m has gone by after the aggression has stopped... in other words the aggressor stops attacking and turns everything off, or the aggressee dies.
http://www.eveproguides.com/crime-watch-timers-guide/

According to an official Eve site the Weapon Timer is applied to "A pilot with this flag has recently used offensive modules against another pilot. The pilot will not be able to jump, dock or switch ships while this flag is active." -So maybe it goes both ways even if you are the one being attacked.
http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/crimewatch/

Regardless this is nothing new. This Timer existed in the past, but now you can see it.

Lestatra wrote:
Eve is now fully committed to pvp

You're just now figuring this out now on a 2009 char?

*Forgot to add 3rd party link

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-13 06:10:13 UTC
Lestatra wrote:
The Crime Watch session timer has opened the door to a new game for the station campers and the grief driven players in Eve, since the session timer stops the player being aggressed from being able to dock it turns into an instant kill mail for the player/players involved. Its pure fun for the station campers and grief'rs, but its hell on the regular player commonly known as a care bear. I will only say that Retribution has some really good ideas but they are not in anyway fair to the players being aggressed, because with them also receiving a suspect flag they now become a sitting duck surrounded by a pool of duck hunters in space. Why is it that the player being aggressed gets flagged, it is for the right to shoot back rather you live or die and you must make sure your safeties are at least yellow or off to return fire. Just another step in Death Race Eve... You may as well have said Eve is now fully committed to pvp i and just asked the miners and care bears to leave; but it is what it is.

What ever happened to the one on one fights where a player has a chance vs these station games for easy kill mails? Station games players have become nothing more than a bunch of overbearing locust trying, to bleed the life out of infinitely spawning food and calling it fun. As much ridicule and hate mail I'll get for saying this, i believe that no ships should be allowed to be targeted or shot near a station unless its in Null space, for low sec does not not mean Crime & Punishment doesn't apply where the stations themselves should have law enforcement.

This ladies and gentleman concludes my soapbox moment .


TLDR; I was excited about the Crimewatch changes, but I'm angry that people who actually play the game had already adapted before release.

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Amiar
The Fiction Factory
#10 - 2012-12-13 13:57:10 UTC
Senn Denroth wrote:
Posting in a thread.

Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....


Highsec pvp against the carebears are nothing more than carebear pvp itself. It's laughable reading these forums sometimes. Have you also ever noticed that the first to whine about the pvp changes normally comes from this sub-forum? Yeah highsec pvp are for the elite Big smile
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#11 - 2012-12-13 14:03:44 UTC
Lestatra wrote:
The Crime Watch session timer has opened the door to a new game for the station campers and the grief driven players in Eve, since the session timer stops the player being aggressed from being able to dock it turns into an instant kill mail for the player/players involved. Its pure fun for the station campers and grief'rs, but its hell on the regular player commonly known as a care bear. I will only say that Retribution has some really good ideas but they are not in anyway fair to the players being aggressed, because with them also receiving a suspect flag they now become a sitting duck surrounded by a pool of duck hunters in space. Why is it that the player being aggressed gets flagged, it is for the right to shoot back rather you live or die and you must make sure your safeties are at least yellow or off to return fire. Just another step in Death Race Eve... You may as well have said Eve is now fully committed to pvp i and just asked the miners and care bears to leave; but it is what it is.

What ever happened to the one on one fights where a player has a chance vs these station games for easy kill mails? Station games players have become nothing more than a bunch of overbearing locust trying, to bleed the life out of infinitely spawning food and calling it fun. As much ridicule and hate mail I'll get for saying this, i believe that no ships should be allowed to be targeted or shot near a station unless its in Null space, for low sec does not not mean Crime & Punishment doesn't apply where the stations themselves should have law enforcement.

This ladies and gentleman concludes my soapbox moment .


Good...let the hate flow through you

Oh, and you are wrong. You get the weapons flag that prevents you from docking or jumping only when you activate an offensive module, not when you are attacked.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#12 - 2012-12-13 17:33:04 UTC
Lestatra wrote:
LMAO sticks and stones let them be brash and say what they will, this is Eve so rather i say something they like or not there will always be those who have nothing better to do then to say negative things.

This is possibly the best post I have seen in C&P this year. Nice attitude Cool

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-12-13 17:48:05 UTC
Something done to you (as opposed to by you) cannot incur a weapons timer on you. Stop being bad.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-13 18:29:55 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Something done to you (as opposed to by you) cannot incur a weapons timer on you. Stop being bad.

Lestatra wrote:
LMAO sticks and stones let them be brash and say what they will, this is Eve so rather i say something they like or not there will always be those who have nothing better to do then to say negative things.


nanananana not listening to you.
Dazz Riiiiiiight
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-13 18:49:09 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Lestatra wrote:
LMAO sticks and stones let them be brash and say what they will, this is Eve so rather i say something they like or not there will always be those who have nothing better to do then to say negative things.

This is possibly the best post I have seen in C&P this year. Nice attitude Cool


Your makeup sucks.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-13 18:56:10 UTC
Lestatra wrote:

What ever happened to the one on one fights where a player has a chance vs these station games for easy kill mails?


This makes no sense. 1v1 fights don't happen on stations, so aggression mechanics are not an issue.

Besides, these were mostly dead when I joined the game...unless you wanted to spend hours roaming and stalking. Or you can join RvB where it is honored.

I gotta reread the mechanics though, don't get my hopes up that station games are dead. Are they? I like being mad at Eve. this month. I'm grumpy this time of year.


Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#17 - 2012-12-13 19:05:51 UTC
Dazz Riiiiiiight wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Lestatra wrote:
LMAO sticks and stones let them be brash and say what they will, this is Eve so rather i say something they like or not there will always be those who have nothing better to do then to say negative things.

This is possibly the best post I have seen in C&P this year. Nice attitude Cool


Your makeup sucks.

Been there, done that ... http://evewho.com/pilot/Anti+Castro+Pigeons

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Lestatra
5th Engineering Corps
#18 - 2012-12-16 12:43:13 UTC
Ahhhhh i have received accolades from those who see this as only a care bear post and the usual non-believers; Good... good.
There is nothing I like better than this when i have the logs to prove my words true, but no no no, not for the eyes of the starving rats who pray on criminal and care bears alike. Oh and one adoring fan to my credit; Wonderful... wonderful.

As it stands you have a re-dock timer of 10sec, 5 to 6 of which can happen in the dark space of time when undocking, which means the station campers can have you locked and attacked before you have time to react. Thus begins the aggression timer that can and will if you're unfortunately webbed will not let you dock at the end of the re-dock timer because it resets at 10sec. the other little interesting tidbit to all of this is that there is an inherent flaw in the aggression timer that switches a ship lock to a pod within a second after the ship explodes. (Before you raise you're fist in protest I've tested this, try it for yourselves if you have doubts). Besides what have i to lose this is but a game :)

Oh and for the love of all that Eve hold dear the grief players are well aware of these facts and Gods who rule do nothing.
Hitler 1944
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#19 - 2012-12-16 16:35:39 UTC
Lestatra wrote:
Ahhhhh i have received accolades from those who see this as only a care bear post and the usual non-believers; Good... good.
There is nothing I like better than this when i have the logs to prove my words true, but no no no, not for the eyes of the starving rats who pray on criminal and care bears alike. Oh and one adoring fan to my credit; Wonderful... wonderful.

As it stands you have a re-dock timer of 10sec, 5 to 6 of which can happen in the dark space of time when undocking, which means the station campers can have you locked and attacked before you have time to react. Thus begins the aggression timer that can and will if you're unfortunately webbed will not let you dock at the end of the re-dock timer because it resets at 10sec. the other little interesting tidbit to all of this is that there is an inherent flaw in the aggression timer that switches a ship lock to a pod within a second after the ship explodes. (Before you raise you're fist in protest I've tested this, try it for yourselves if you have doubts). Besides what have i to lose this is but a game :)

Oh and for the love of all that Eve hold dear the grief players are well aware of these facts and Gods who rule do nothing.
****** 1944


Err... until you move or try and dock you have an invulnerability timer so no they don't have you locked in that "dark space of time" .

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-17 00:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
HOLYF*%#)#^!@*!^)

Spread more misinformation why don't you??


Rules for aggression and docking have NOT changed, except for logi, and dictors.

FFS please just read this and understand.

1. Activating an aggressive module will prevent you from docking or jumping for 60 seconds from its deactivation.

2. When undocking, you have a 30 second invulnerability timer that breaks if you move or activate a module. Stopping your ship will not break this invulnerability.

3. When your ship is destroyed, you have a (used to be 30 seconds, not sure on exact # now) session change timer that will prevent you from docking or jumping.



This is all OFN

OLD ******* NEWS


as in, always has been this way...


So take your self-entitled ship toasting elsewhere, you are wrong, and you couldn't be bothered to learn how the game works.


Either that or you're a troll (and a good one) but I like to take my chances.


edit: ok I bet you're not a troll, just incredibly stupid, well welcome to the forums, glad to see you decided to participate in the game after only 3 and a half years playing.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
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