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I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2011-10-23 03:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Reverand Pastor
The lack of understanding and childish antics is sad and at the same time not surprising (bitter vet syndrome). WiS is/was to add players and content to YOUR world. "Adapt or die" is the saying and ccp is attempting to adapt. I know you want to keep your small internet spaceship game small but its a business and as such need to evolve or risk becoming obsolete. People need to seriously stop flaming on the forums for the sake of being a douche. Its like after all these years no one gets that chasing players away is not just harming them.(its a great game) but harming yourself. He posted because he cared about the game you and I play. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU and frankly you are one of the many spokes in this wheel of fail we are all riding on.
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2011-10-23 03:20:37 UTC
The actual number of players (not subs) has been in decline over the last few years but the community still feels it is fine to behave like elitist snobs, chasing away any player, new or vet, if given the slightest chance or provocation. This community is it's own worst enemy and may not fully realize it until it is too late.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2011-10-23 03:22:12 UTC
Vinterthorn wrote:
Jovan Geldon wrote:
Incarna can **** off, and so can you. This game is about internet spaceships and nothing else.


Normally, I confine myself to reading on the forums only, but sorry, THIS is the kind of mindset that scares people off.
What you're doing is just like saying "everyone who just wants to mine and stay in high-sec , plz **** off", griefing the
**** out of people just because of their very much subjective choice of a playing style. And in my view, scaring people
off is quite counterproductive to the principles of a MMO.

And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of
other games, that will give you just this, and only this. Without new ideas and progress over a cpl of years.

A game like EVE, however, can only thrive from supporting player interaction, if it is done right.



The thing is CCP obviously agree with him, they agree with him so much they are sacking staff and are making spaceships the priority. It took CCP a while to come to their senses though, I guess the only reason they did was the horrible reception the first stage of Incarna received.

When CCP saw that there wasn't going to be the huge influx of bright eyed and bushy tailed weirdos that where eager to come and play space barbies with their credit cards in hand they finally saw sense. Unfortunately that realisation cost people their jobs, there are other costs as well.

The entire "EVE is real" marketing campaign was ruined, they might as well took all the money the campaign cost and flushed it down the toilet because it was completely eclipsed by all the negative press surrounding the newsletter leaks and the outrageous MT pricing strategy. Hilmars apologetic blog and interviews are still attracting all the attention now, so the blog he felt he had no option but to make is a more effective positive headline grabber than the new campaign with all its hard work and shiny CGI trailer.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#84 - 2011-10-23 04:12:23 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
The lack of understanding and childish antics is sad and at the same time not surprising (bitter vet syndrome). WiS is/was to add players and content to YOUR world. "Adapt or die" is the saying and ccp is attempting to adapt. I know you want to keep your small internet spaceship game small but its a business and as such need to evolve or risk becoming obsolete. People need to seriously stop flaming on the forums for the sake of being a douche. Its like after all these years no one gets that chasing players away is not just harming them.(its a great game) but harming yourself. He posted because he cared about the game you and I play. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU and frankly you are one of the many spokes in this wheel of fail we are all riding on.


Well put.

I'm wondering if the announcement that Incarna won't be finished will cost CCP further subscriptions. A lot of people have been looking forward to it for years - and I guess will have to continue to do so :(
mkint
#85 - 2011-10-23 04:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
Reverand Pastor wrote:
He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU.

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2011-10-23 04:43:25 UTC
mkint wrote:

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.


Gawd, where did you come from? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


Seems the majority of posters against WiS just don't get it.

And the funny thing is they keep saying how this is a game about flying spaceships yet here they sit in the forums doing what? Definitely not flying spaceships.

Actually, they totally missed the big picture due to not being able to pull their heads out of the so called sand box..

Ahhh, that's right, this is General Discussion.




The Dream

Incarna is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo first person shooter simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously will create the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.

This will open up a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. And when it all comes together, we'll have front row seats on the ground floor helping to make history.


Imagine this scenario.

While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on Planet IV. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the situation, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone.

With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other.

As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting more supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy blockade ships when more enemy ships warp in and you find yourself tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again informing you they need those supplies now.

Eve is Real

This is just one of the many different possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy.



To the OP

no need to leave.

Incarna isn't going away since it's tied in with WiS which isn't going away since it's tied in with Dust which isn't going away since it's tied in with Sony which isn't going away since it's tied in with CCP which isn't going away since it's tied in with Incarna.

Look at that, went full circle

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
mkint
#87 - 2011-10-23 04:44:37 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
mkint wrote:

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.


Gawd, where did you come from? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


Seems the majority of posters against WiS just don't get it.

And the funny thing is they keep saying how this is a game about flying spaceships yet here they sit in the forums doing what? Definitely not flying spaceships.

Actually, they totally missed the big picture due to not being able to pull their heads out of the so called sand box..

Ahhh, that's right, this is General Discussion.




The Dream

Incarna is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo first person shooter simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously will create the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.

This will open up a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. And when it all comes together, we'll have front row seats on the ground floor helping to make history.


Imagine this scenario.

While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on Planet IV. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the situation, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone.

With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other.

As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting more supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy blockade ships when more enemy ships warp in and you find yourself tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again informing you they need those supplies now.

Eve is Real

This is just one of the many different possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy.



To the OP

no need to leave.

Incarna isn't going away since it's tied in with WiS which isn't going away since it's tied in with Dust which isn't going away since it's tied in with Sony which isn't going away since it's tied in with CCP which isn't going away since it's tied in with Incarna.

Look at that, went full circle


I want some of what you're smoking.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-10-23 04:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Reverand Pastor
mkint wrote:
Reverand Pastor wrote:
He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU.

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.


I agree with you 100%. If you read between the lines of his post he is saying I love this game and have been lied to for the last time (picks up his ball and goes home). I believe he is saying what a majority of players are thinking just insert FW, Null sec, or whatever where WiS is. The game is half finished and has been for a long time. I will admit it is coming to a point where im not sure if i have hopeless optimisim or am right in the middle of a giant ponzi scheme but either way I know he makes EVE just as I do and even though he gripes are different then mine hes still part of my community. To the OP good luck and hope to see you back someday. We'll sit down and discuss whose barbie is cuter.

SPOILER: Its mine
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2011-10-23 04:49:39 UTC
I give OP 3/10.

Trying too hard, but that wall of text did take a lot of effort.
mkint
#90 - 2011-10-23 05:16:02 UTC
Reverand Pastor wrote:
mkint wrote:
Reverand Pastor wrote:
He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU.

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.


I agree with you 100%. If you read between the lines of his post he is saying I love this game and have been lied to for the last time (picks up his ball and goes home). I believe he is saying what a majority of players are thinking just insert FW, Null sec, or whatever where WiS is. The game is half finished and has been for a long time. I will admit it is coming to a point where im not sure if i have hopeless optimisim or am right in the middle of a giant ponzi scheme but either way I know he makes EVE just as I do and even though he gripes are different then mine hes still part of my community. To the OP good luck and hope to see you back someday. We'll sit down and discuss whose barbie is cuter.

SPOILER: Its mine

You're helping to make me think. :) What, in my mind, is fundamentally broken in EVE is the longevity. With any activity CCP is failing to ask the question "as a user, why will I continue to perform this activity for the rest of my natural life?" If I had to put expiration dates on specific activities in EVE, I'd say there isn't any reason to do null sov warfare for more than 6 months (if you're lucky), FW for 2-3 months, PI for 20 minutes, WIS for 3 minutes, missions for 3 months, incursions for 1-2 months, mining for 2 months, lowsec PVP for 6 months. People may place different values than mine, but people will continue to stretch their activities out for longer than they are worth for whatever reasons, but they can only be stretched so far. For any feature to truly be "complete" it should be worth doing indefinitely. And this is where the winter expansion still concerns me... none of the announced changes extend the longevity of any EVE activities. They may change how an activity done which might give a temporary boost to longevity of any feature, but that is not enough to really fix anything. In any case, there is more that can be done for the health of EVE by extending the life of established features than creating new features that aren't worth playing for a single expansion cycle. That said, I do look forward to the day where walking in a station can keep me busy full time. It would be an interesting way to play. But trying to develop that right now would mean the death of EVE.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#91 - 2011-10-23 05:25:54 UTC
Mkint wrote :-

" That said, I do look forward to the day where walking in a station can keep me busy full time. It would be an interesting way to play. But trying to develop that right now would mean the death of EVE."

Precisely. Absolutely correct. +1

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#92 - 2011-10-23 05:32:22 UTC
mkint wrote:
Reverand Pastor wrote:
mkint wrote:
Reverand Pastor wrote:
He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU.

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.


I agree with you 100%. If you read between the lines of his post he is saying I love this game and have been lied to for the last time (picks up his ball and goes home). I believe he is saying what a majority of players are thinking just insert FW, Null sec, or whatever where WiS is. The game is half finished and has been for a long time. I will admit it is coming to a point where im not sure if i have hopeless optimisim or am right in the middle of a giant ponzi scheme but either way I know he makes EVE just as I do and even though he gripes are different then mine hes still part of my community. To the OP good luck and hope to see you back someday. We'll sit down and discuss whose barbie is cuter.

SPOILER: Its mine

You're helping to make me think. :) What, in my mind, is fundamentally broken in EVE is the longevity. With any activity CCP is failing to ask the question "as a user, why will I continue to perform this activity for the rest of my natural life?" If I had to put expiration dates on specific activities in EVE, I'd say there isn't any reason to do null sov warfare for more than 6 months (if you're lucky), FW for 2-3 months, PI for 20 minutes, WIS for 3 minutes, missions for 3 months, incursions for 1-2 months, mining for 2 months, lowsec PVP for 6 months. People may place different values than mine, but people will continue to stretch their activities out for longer than they are worth for whatever reasons, but they can only be stretched so far. For any feature to truly be "complete" it should be worth doing indefinitely. And this is where the winter expansion still concerns me... none of the announced changes extend the longevity of any EVE activities. They may change how an activity done which might give a temporary boost to longevity of any feature, but that is not enough to really fix anything. In any case, there is more that can be done for the health of EVE by extending the life of established features than creating new features that aren't worth playing for a single expansion cycle. That said, I do look forward to the day where walking in a station can keep me busy full time. It would be an interesting way to play. But trying to develop that right now would mean the death of EVE.


Exactly new ships are supercool but it doesnt change the fact the activity for said ship is broken to hell. T4 T5 T6 whatever. FW is still broken. When that t3 bc comes out i think alot of people are going to be dissapointed. that thing has the smell of running lev 4's or doing incursions all over it. Then were back to square one and EVE is still broken. Thats all i have to add to your post since it was pretty much on key with what i was thinking
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#93 - 2011-10-23 05:57:23 UTC
COMM4NDER wrote:
First, the CQ was utter fail, sure would be cool if all that you mention would be there but nothing was there. They just got into 3 racial quarters. 6 months after release.


CQ was utter fail because it came nowhere close to delivering the WIS people were hoping for: avatar interaction, FPS type pve or pvp for some.

COMM4NDER wrote:
Also this game is about spaceships and most of its users play because of that. CCP should follow what most players want and not minority.


I keep hearing this over and over, but maybe we're playing different games, I see Eve Online not Eve Spaceships Online. This game is about space, and is a space simulator. I don't see how it's ever been defined as anything else than that. Certainly flying spaceships is an essential component but not a limiting factor.

COMM4NDER wrote:
My two cents, also current direction CCP is going for is ******* awesome! Finaly it seems they got their thumbs out of their buts.


Certainly seems they are on the right track but seriously we all need to cut some slack, we wouldn't have stuck with this game for many years (for some) if we didn't enjoy the ride provided so far.

COMM4NDER wrote:
Sad that 20% of the WoD devs had to go but looking at it, EVE is their income and they need to keep it up if they want the users to pay.


This is unfortunate since the vamp game market is an easy sell and might've created enough revenue for CCP to re-dedicate itself to EO without canning 20% of their staff, sigh..
THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-10-23 06:00:15 UTC
I really need to stop going to the forum and reading **** threads lol Ugh
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#95 - 2011-10-23 06:07:25 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
I don't know if we were ever going to get true WiS since it's obvious now how dependent it was on WoD being a viable product for CCP. The current state seems to indicate that WiS was purely a test platform for aspects of WoD. So, how committed was CCP to the development of a functional and purposeful WiS for Eve? Somehow, I don't think there was any commitment beyond facilitating WoD.



Far more indicates WiS was a testbed for WoD:

http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspx

Quote:
Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.


They straight admit to the WoD people that Incarna is a PROTOTYPE
And reassure them that WoD will ship with a BETTER engine lol

Theres no "maybe" "possibly" or ANY kind of speculation here

And its funny how now that WoD is essentially shelved, they see no reason to continue with WiS


WHY WiS got shelved

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2011-10-23 06:20:54 UTC
WiS faggots need to leave this game. You lost the war. Give up.
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#97 - 2011-10-23 06:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tres Farmer
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
WiS faggots need to leave this game. You lost the war. Give up.

na, they were forced into loosing a battle they couldn't win for the circumstances CCP put the whole campaign in, but sooner or later there will be interacting avatars on stations and the war you speak of (your world is just black and white, right?) will be won by the WiS faggots (though, it will only be you who would put it like that - most people would welcome the additional depth to the game).
Enjoy your simple world.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#98 - 2011-10-23 06:58:13 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
WiS faggots need to leave this game. You lost the war. Give up.


see sig

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2011-10-23 07:27:08 UTC
Oriaita Lee wrote:
"Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner.



EXACTLY ..

you really think there was more content after the captain quarters ?
Hannibal Ord
Fer-De-Lance
#100 - 2011-10-23 07:38:52 UTC
To be honest EVE as it stands (the Flying in Space) is not yet finished and this is the problem.

To form an example, if anyone here plays WOT that game too is not finished...but that game is new. It is still in Beta.


The flying in space part needs to be finished and fully featured. We are talking sov, blasters, faction warfare, incursions etc etc. Every aspect of this game needs to be improved.