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Killrights, and self destruct.
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Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-14 18:08:53 UTC
If you start self destruct, because you are definitely going to lose your ship, do you lose your killright? For instance, the EVE Uni
says you get killrights when you sit in your ship until its destruction.

 Ro  Storm
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2012-12-14 18:15:33 UTC
There is no point to self destructing a ship in combat, so I wouldn't know.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Slumpert
Hookers and Quafe
#3 - 2012-12-15 02:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Slumpert
There is no kill rights on a self destruct.. If you actually survived long enough for the SD to kick in.

Well I take that back... You have the right to kill your avatar.
Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-15 07:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ro Storm
Well thanks for your responses. But that said, those are lacking statements. If there's no reason for a self destruct, why is it there. Secondly, killing my avatar would be cowardly. And last, being warped in on, webbed and scrammed to a fight of lopsided proportions is not really a fight, on the other hand, trying to cause additional damage to my ship so to deny my enemy resources is martial.

 Ro  Storm
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-12-15 09:06:27 UTC
It can mess with killmails. You can still get them, but may have to petition it. The main reasons: if you self-desto yourself up the loot goes with it. ..Also, taking out the satisfaction of getting the kill is very well in of itself the worst. Other than that, lulz? Get trapping in w-space and need a quick exit. I'm sure there's more to the creative mind.

However, despite what you may think, it is a legitimate game mechanic.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-15 14:45:43 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
It can mess with killmails. You can still get them, but may have to petition it. The main reasons: if you self-desto yourself up the loot goes with it.


That was changed 4 months ago.

http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=73093 wrote:

Ships that self-destruct will now drop loot in their wreck. This follows the regular chance based loot drop mechanics for items fitted to the ship and carried in the cargo hold.
Ships that self-destruct whilst under aggression will now generate a regular kill-report. In order for this to happen, the ship must have been recently aggressed, and there must be at least one of the aggressors in space in the system at the time of death. The final blow will be awarded to the eligible attacker who inflicted the most damage.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#7 - 2012-12-15 15:51:48 UTC
Ah, now I understand this thread. People aren't aware that changes happened to make SD in combat pointless. A kill report is given, loot drops. You will probably only end up self destructing if you find yourself trapped in a WH without probes, or looking for the pod express.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-12-16 01:28:53 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
It can mess with killmails. You can still get them, but may have to petition it. The main reasons: if you self-desto yourself up the loot goes with it.


That was changed 4 months ago.


Ahh, okay thanks for pointing that out I was unaware of that. Should have done some research before I fail posted, didn't know it changed.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Self_destruction

But, yeah now looks like just comes down to lost in WH, or lulz, or you don't want to travel 50 jumps.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#9 - 2012-12-16 10:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#10 - 2012-12-16 10:47:12 UTC
Ro Storm wrote:
If there's no reason for a self destruct, why is it there..



There is a reason for self destruct outside of combat. What he said was there is no reason for self destruct in combat, because, as has been pointed out, there is no longer any benefit. The enemy still gets a killmail and your stuff still drops. You are not being martial, you are being outdated.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-16 10:47:49 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
It can mess with killmails. You can still get them, but may have to petition it. The main reasons: if you self-desto yourself up the loot goes with it.


That was changed 4 months ago.


Ahh, okay thanks for pointing that out I was unaware of that. Should have done some research before I fail posted, didn't know it changed.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Self_destruction

But, yeah now looks like just comes down to lost in WH, or lulz, or you don't want to travel 50 jumps.


Again, thanks for your postings. I was initially asking, what effect does self desto have on a starting ship loss. For instance, I had absolutely NO chance of winning the fight. My options were to warp out, that ended in the first 10 seconds, and any martial response ended. SO what do you do, "deny the enemy reousrces!"

 Ro  Storm
Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-16 10:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ro Storm
Tul Breetai wrote:
Ro Storm wrote:
If there's no reason for a self destruct, why is it there..



There is a reason for self destruct outside of combat. What he said was there is no reason for self destruct in combat, because, as has been pointed out, there is no longer any benefit. The enemy still gets a killmail and your stuff still drops. You are not being martial, you are being outdated.

Ok, I'm glad for your response, but I am not a EVE experienced player. You're response that I am outdated is a reference that I have played the game before. No, this is my char, I have learned the rules as time and effort allows, and am not a PvP expert. What I am asking, Is there a way to deny superior foes anything. Somehow you assume a pve fit ship is a pvp ship?

 Ro  Storm
Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-16 11:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ro Storm
Ro Storm wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Ro Storm wrote:
If there's no reason for a self destruct, why is it there..



There is a reason for self destruct outside of combat. What he said was there is no reason for self destruct in combat, because, as has been pointed out, there is no longer any benefit. The enemy still gets a killmail and your stuff still drops. You are not being martial, you are being outdated.

Ok, I'm glad for your response, but I am not a EVE experienced player. You're response that I am outdated is a reference that I have played the game before. No, this is my char, I have learned the rules as time and effort allows, and am not a PvP expert. What I am asking, Is there a way to deny superior foes anything. Somehow you assume a pve fit ship is a pvp ship?

You're statement that I'm a previous, experienced player comes from where?! I am a newer player, that can't trust the wording of EVElopedia for the free pixcels it's printed on, so where in the hell do you see me as a previous player???

 Ro  Storm
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#14 - 2012-12-16 11:07:18 UTC
Ro Storm wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Ro Storm wrote:
If there's no reason for a self destruct, why is it there..



There is a reason for self destruct outside of combat. What he said was there is no reason for self destruct in combat, because, as has been pointed out, there is no longer any benefit. The enemy still gets a killmail and your stuff still drops. You are not being martial, you are being outdated.

Ok, I'm glad for your response, but I am not a EVE experienced player. You're response that I am outdated is a reference that I have played the game before. No, this is my char, I have learned the rules as time and effort allows, and am not a PvP expert. What I am asking, Is there a way to deny superior foes anything. Somehow you assume a pve fit ship is a pvp ship?



Let me clarify then, because I was torn between being condescending and being succinct: You are being outdated by virtue of the fact that there was, in the past, a way to use self-destruct strategically in combat. However, it no longer applies in combat, so you are de facto outdated. If you want to pull a fast one on pirates, get an alt you don't care about and send him into low on autopilot. Everytime he dies, wash, rinse, and repeat. He will have a tidy stack of killrights you can then sell or give to your main account. With the liberal application of locator agents and ammo, you will have all the retribution you can handle.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-16 11:13:20 UTC
Ha, Ok, my post wasn't about Retribution, but general game specifics. As stated before, I am not a carebear out for revenge, but a player out for rules posts. I'm not looking to rack up anything, i'm looking for. " what do you do when getting ganked , maybe 10 to 1 DPS."

 Ro  Storm
Ro Storm
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-16 11:14:27 UTC
Such as, where the hell did I get top ranked in the EVE foodchain!!!?

 Ro  Storm
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-12-16 11:43:47 UTC
Ro Storm wrote:
What I am asking, Is there a way to deny superior foes anything.


Yes. The only thing you can deny them is the satisfaction of actually landing the killing blow, or being the player's that killed your ship 100%. But, they will still acquire a killmail. So what it really comes down to is, robbing the enemy the satisfaction of getting 100% of that kill even though they will get the killmail anyway, and you knowing that you caused the final blow to yourself.

"Self destructing is most often used as a means to rob enemy pilots of the satisfaction of destroying a ship personally..." But, from what people are saying it doesn't really matter anymore because they still get the killmail and the loot. But you can walk away knowing that you caused the death of your ship even though you were dying anyway, so that's something.

Just realized I wrote two explanations with the same answer... too tired to care. But, I hope this helps!

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet