EVE General Discussion

The age of coalitions sure leads to a lot of tears by people that don't want to play along.

Simple solution to all Null moaners, move to HS, leave it completely and go where it is better as you say... You would be doing the community a huge favor plus you will have what others currently have, now, go pack your stuff, HS awaits you!

I think there's a chance that this is one of the factors affecting the migration from high-sec to null.




You don't check local when in high-sec? :D

There is no problem to begin with. But when people like you continuously scream there is a problem, over and over, nonstop, people will begin thinking there's some sort of problem.

Why you and the rest of the goons/nulls/lows have such a vengeful grudge against highsec is beyond me, but I really hope you don't get your way. I hope CCP is smarter than that.

And now you know who is behind the whole "nerf hisec" movement.

Goons don't play online games - they break them™

pretty much the way ccp relates high/low/null is wrong. the risk v rewards is too imbalanced between high and everything else. You could keep stations the way they are. Make a tax penalty ... a good one acting as a price ceiling. then you should allow players to have their own POS that isn't taxed. for example a soft structure that can be destroyed 20-30min by a 10man gang. no reinforcement timers. hence the risk v reward. the reward for destroying these structures could net you a bill in salvage/loot. Pos towers should not exist in highsec....sorry to say especially since you cant fly capitals in highsec.

Lowsec and null need a good hard look. Timers are...boring and painful. tech moons are not balanced. ISK should be bottom up not top to bottom.

High sec people, you don't get it.

The war is over.
We lost.

It makes no difference how much we scream on the forums, the decision-makers at CCP have made their choices on what will be done to high sec.

Look at the people CCP have hired in the last 2 -3 years. Look at their in-game backgrounds.
Look at what has happened to high sec income in the last year.
Look at the NEW feedback thread about the AI (the thread that came out 2 days ago). You think that mission running income got hammered with Retribution? You ain't see nothin' yet baby.
Look at all the war drums beating about the new target: high sec industry.
Do some research on what the lead designer said about high sec industry about 8 months ago. Yeah, the ex-goon guy.

I am certain that all the null sec propagandists will scream "tin foil / rumour mongering / troll / personal attack" and try to get me banned, again. And they will likely succeed, given how the ISD and certain CCP employees' actions have shown their allegiances.

But it is irrelevant, since null sec has already won the war, and we who are still fighting, are like people bailing the Titanic with a kid's sand bucket.

The only hope the majority of the players have, that being high sec players, is that somehow when the inevitable sub drop hits, that CCP will still have the sense, money, and time, to turn this around. I have many billions stashed away from my null sec days, and plan on playing Skill Queue Online for awhile, with my last remaining account. All the others I shut down in the summer when Soundwave declared war on datacores. BTW, that worked out really well, huh? How many fixes have been introduced to FW to fix the mess CCP made with the summer release?

The most honourable thing would be to just unsub this last account, and watch from afar as Eve burns. But I figure I ground all those billions, albeit ridiculously easily in null sec, no way I am going to give that away or let it rot.

Now we're getting somewhere...






Well said, and I agree, a big part of the rewards of null are the accomplishment feeling.

Here's the problem with your risk/reward equation:

- Null has MASSIVE reward, it's called moon goo
- Your problem is that it's top down, meaning you can't get your hands on the MASSIVE reward unless your alliance leaders decide to trickle something down to you

What you really need is bottoms up Null income replacing moongo. Then there would be incentive for individual players to populate (and fly around) Null.

Instead your seeking to nerf Hi-Sec. FAIL.

Null = all risky, Empire = all safe is just a plain lie. The truth is far more subtle.

- An average day Null has very little risk. You only have to play with your map setting for a couple of minutes to see that for yourself.
- Empire is only a safe place to be if you are a new player piloting cheap ships. Start piloting shiney ships or hauling significant cargo and you will be an attractive gank and safe nowhere.
- And Empire being safe for new players is EXACTLY how the game mechanic should work, or the game would DIE.

Low sec will never attract carebears if the only thing you look at is risk vs reward. In fact, looking at it like that entirely misses the problem.
The problem is the perception of Highsec being safe. Change that and suddenly, Low Sec is more attractive. How?

All systems on Mouse-over in the map show a counter for Illegal aggression resulting in Concord intervention in the last 30 days, at all times.

Concord gives a system-wide notification when they Concordokken someone, instead of the current Grid-wide one.

Player name, Ship type (showing fitting) are clickable, and "Evidence" shows a small Battle report detailing the engagement (a Kill report, but not requiring an actual kill, basically,) that provoked Concord.

Technically, this sort of makes High Sec safer. You can see the Suicide Gankers in system and dock up? That's perfect. Suddenly, the people running Missions "Alone" in densely populated High Sec systems feel so much less alone. They're watching local, docking when threats are present, every few minutes they're reminded that people are actively engaging in PvP regardless of the Sec Status of the Space. They see those pimp Tengu's being ganked by Tornado's in person, rather than vague warnings that it could happen to someone else. When they see known Gankers in system, or their corp, they dock up, just like they would in Low.

Rather than change the relative balance of space, simply make it more obvious that High Sec is vastly more dangerous than they think. Make people know, shove it in their face, tell them in plain terms that High Sec is not safe, and suddenly Low becomes a lot more attractive.

You make changes after people are given enough information to form a legitimate opinion.