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Guide: How to Scam Red Frog Freight

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Maxnano
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-15 18:44:35 UTC
A Guide on Scamming Red Frog Freight.

Due To Red Frog refusing my Initial extortion demand, I.E. Payment for Non-Publication of this Guide, I am now forced to release to the public Full Instructions on How to make Between 2 and 20 B Isk. You will soon Understand why this is not in any way Under-Estimated.

http://red-frog.org/annual-report-2011.php To get an idea how large this operation is.

Requirements:

2 Accounts - 1 For managing Corp Contracts, 1 for Hauling (Freighter 860k M3 min) And Will Join red Frog and instantly given access to Corp Contracts.

If you Currently only have 1 account, you can get a second account setup within minutes for the price of a plex. The Contract manager account can be as new as you want, The Hauler Acc should have a convincing History. But preferable not TEST, Evoke or Goons or other known freighter Gankers.

No Combat is involved in any way, This is purely a "White Collar Scam"


How It Works:

Red Frog Freight Is a large and well known Hauling company, Pilots of every type Create Contracts to the corp to have their Wares Moved from between 1 place and Another. They Only use Freighters.

Due to the Risk of Freighter Ganks, Red Frog Pilots are not allowed to take contracts with more than 1B in Collateral And Customers are not allowed to Set Contracts for more than 1B Isk Collateral.

This is where it gets interesting.

I Don't know if it is Laziness, Incompetence or just Calculated Risk, But People Constantly Put Cargo in the contract worth way more than the Collateral. On my first Day Some Incursion Nut put up a contract for 1b Collateral, but inside was a Machariel and 8B isk in Fittings.

Later that same Day, Some Idiot Put up 15 Contracts, im guessing for minerals to be moved of around 1b in value for each contract, Every single contract had 0 Collateral. Unfortunately at the time, i was not thinking of anything but how to chain together freighter trips and i missed that opportunity.

Every Day there are 6-7+ Contracts put up for Red Frog that have no collateral and countless numbers of contracts where the contents are worth way more than the Max 1B Collateral that they are ment to set.

The Best Way to get the most from this opportunity involves actually running the contracts like a typical employee, but all the while looking out for "The Big One" that will start your 24 Hour Timer.

Once you see that starting contract that is way over Collateral or none at all, you hold it, It has a timer of 24 Hours to complete. No one will notice a thing for at least the first 12 hours, more if you are lucky. During this time you need to run as many contracts as you can to find the "Gems" like 3B isk of WH Mats shoved into a 1B isk Collateral contract.


This is probably one of the easiest ways to gain Isk i have ever seen. And No doubt, i will try again ;)
If its done right, a 20B isk Haul is very possible.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#2 - 2012-12-15 18:51:09 UTC
Thank you very much.

This is a reminder to everyone, not just our customer, to properly collaterise your contracts.

In Red Frog Freight, we always try our best to reject those 0 collateral contracts as fast as we can, but unfortunatly, we do sleep sometime.

We run a background check on people, but it can only go so far.

oh, BTW, Test, Goons, anyone with a clean record of ganking can join Red Frog! As long as you meet our minimum requirement.

Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#3 - 2012-12-15 19:05:44 UTC
This is less "scamming red frog" and more "scamming idiots that happen to use red frog service"
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-15 19:40:34 UTC
phail thread. OP /account pl0x.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2012-12-15 21:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Darek Castigatus
So your guide consists of pointing out what anyone with half a brain and any knowledge about the courier contract system could have worked out in about five seconds - exploit dumbasses who use insufficient collateral on their contracts.

Allow me to join Red Frog in pointing and laughing at you for expecting to get anything from that little gem.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-15 21:50:11 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
This is less "scamming red frog" and more "scamming idiots that happen to use red frog service"


Pretty much this. You can also join any large alliance, and say hey guys I own a jump freighter, who needs to move some stuff? I wouldn't say you were scamming that alliance though, just the few derps that are in it.

You also fail to mention the times when someone calls a contract 10x Bhaals and it ends up being shuttles and now you have to haul 50 jumps or else fail the contract and pay 1 bill in collateral.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-15 21:54:40 UTC
Im stuck trying to figure out if the OP is serious in this post or just at 0/10 troll. In any case the only scam part of this was the OP attempting to blackmail Red Frog into paying him not to make a fail post in C&P....the rest of the post is common knowledge to anyone who knows anything about courier contracts....I suggest you go back to Jita and offer to double people's money....
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-12-15 22:11:00 UTC
I approve of this service and posting.
By that I mean Red Frog.
OP is a base level intelligence post, useful to those of lesser intelligence.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-12-16 03:44:24 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
I approve of this service and posting.
By that I mean Red Frog.
OP is a base level intelligence post, useful to those of lesser intelligence.


As a prime example of how not to do it I hope, last thing we need is more idiots pointing out the obvious like its some kind of revalation.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-17 13:07:55 UTC
I fail to see how the OP has posted a guide of any sort. Please notice it's not Red Frog being scammed. It's people with more fingers than functional braincells.

I canĀ“t imagine why your extortion attempts were ignored Lol


Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-17 13:39:42 UTC
Are you saying that I should not trust complete strangers with my stuff in this game? Sad
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#12 - 2012-12-17 18:38:28 UTC
So your guide is basically - join a corp, steal from the corp, leave the corp. I have to say "thank you!" I've never thought about that before . How could I miss something so easy and definitely never talked about during all the discussions involving Eve?
Duke Thunderhorse
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-17 20:47:01 UTC
Best guide ever! Can you direct me to a PDF version please? Or maybe a youtube video. Thank you.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#14 - 2012-12-17 22:54:01 UTC
Glad to know Red Frog is completing contracts worth more then collateralBig smilegood honest business folk.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#15 - 2012-12-18 11:57:13 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Glad to know Red Frog is completing contracts worth more then collateralBig smilegood honest business folk.


we usually do, there's a lot of honest people in Red Frog, that see in the long term !

Not everyone is a thief like the OP.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-12-18 14:59:42 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Glad to know Red Frog is completing contracts worth more then collateralBig smilegood honest business folk.


we usually do, there's a lot of honest people in Red Frog, that see in the long term !

Not everyone is a thief like the OP.



Oh I wouldnt call him a thief, you actually have to have something resembling a functioning brain to be one of those.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Pinky Feldman
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-18 16:43:56 UTC
Why would Red Frog care? I've seen this happen to dumb people and tired people who set up multiple contracts and mess up on one accidently before, and usually they just get a mail from Red Frog thanking them for the free isk and re-iterating the importance of setting proper collateral.
Shylari Avada
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-12-18 18:02:22 UTC
Why crap on a good service?

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2012-12-18 22:26:29 UTC
Wow..I came here expecting some badass conspiracy theory left with something not worth my time

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2012-12-19 00:04:54 UTC
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