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how do you counter the 500dps daredevil? (novice FW)

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Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#21 - 2012-12-15 19:53:01 UTC
Honestly anything that can hit it would probably kill it because it has such a weak tank. If he orbits at 10k he's only gonna be doing ~300dps at that range which is still a lot but not nearly as bad as 500. Secondly, finding a DD pilot who is completely faction fit, especially faction damage mods, will probably be somewhat rare. Any dessy with good dps out to 10k should be able to handle this fairly well, anything with rockets and tank, or a nano frig that can kill it outside of web range. The biggest problem will be getting a DD this shiny to engage you. He'll know what can kill him and what he can kill so you come cruising in with a hawk he'll probably be pretty tentative to engage that. I like flying enyo's so what I would probably do against a DD is overheat mwd, load null, and try to get within damage application range for as long as possible. If I can get within ~5k for about 10-15 secs he'll be dead.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#22 - 2012-12-15 20:43:08 UTC
DD's are not to much of an issue tbh if you start the fight prepared.

I had one warp in on a plex I was running in my tormentor. He melted so quick I still had 1/3 armour left.

The only time I worry about them is if i'm in a fast kitey frig and they are already inside the plex....but then again that goes for any 'brawler' type frig holding a plex. And I'll generally still warp in on them! some quick commands upon landing will give you a 50/50 chance of escaping their webs and once done you kan slowly kill them easily.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Kuro Bon
Test Corp 123
#23 - 2012-12-16 04:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuro Bon
FYI - this guy wasn't sitting at range, he did a boomerang to get in close and get his blaster max vollys off.

None of these T2 Frigs are allowed in Novice FW sites. If I was in open ground, some of these fits/ships would be interesting...

Dual MASB Hawk looks sweet. That would torch him if he stayed engaged. Can it hold him? It seems like he can close at-will because of his web bonus, and it also seems like his faster speed means he may be able to disengage at will. Though if he's committed to a flyby boomerang he should die.

This Blarpy fit looks like a decent counter. More than enough EHP to make up for the slight dps disadvantage. If he boomerangs, i expect he'll go splat.

What Arty Wolf fit would survive him? He's faster so he can dictate range, and his web is ridiculously boosted by that hull bonus, so basically he gets to fight at his 2k optimal at will. The Wolf fits I see are 150-200dps, and don't have enough EHP/tank to come out on top vs 500dps. What fit would you use?

What Enyo fit can catch him? This high-dps-and-tank Enyo fit would survite him, but can it keep him in range? He has a massive web boost and faster speeds to boot.

* About the only T1 frig solution I've seen is this fun Griffin ECM idea....

Griffin seems like a fun diceroll response. This super cheap 1M ISK Griffin Fit is pretty funny. If the jam lands it might just come out on top.

Protip: 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour.

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#24 - 2012-12-16 04:45:11 UTC
Kuro Bon wrote:
FYI - this guy wasn't sitting at range, he did a boomerang to get in close and get his blaster max vollys off.

Thanks for the replies.. here are some thoughts...

Dual MASB Hawk looks sweet. That would torch him if he stayed engaged. Can it hold him? It seems like he can close at-will because of his web bonus, and it also seems like his faster speed means he may be able to disengage at will. Though if he's committed to a flyby boomerang he should die.

This Blarpy fit looks like a decent counter. More than enough EHP to make up for the slight dps disadvantage. If he boomerangs, i expect he'll go splat.

What Arty Wolf fit would survive him? He's faster so he can dictate range, and his web is ridiculously boosted by that hull bonus, so basically he gets to fight at his 2k optimal at will. The Wolf fits I see are 150-200dps, and don't have enough EHP/tank to come out on top vs 500dps. What fit would you use?

What Enyo fit can catch him? This high-dps-and-tank Enyo fit would survite him, but can it keep him in range? He has a massive web boost and faster speeds to boot.

Griffin seems like a fun diceroll response. This super cheap 1M ISK Griffin Fit is pretty funny. If the jam lands it might just come out on top.







bear in mind that wolves put out some silly alpha. so a couple of hits at range pretty much pops any DD. As with most kitey/alpha frig setups if you get scrammed you are bugger anyway.

Seriously though the DPS a DD puts out is nasty they die pretty easily tbh as if they are the pure dps fit they have naff all tank so it mean you can kill them before they burn you down. It's the rail DD's that are the nastiest ones. Range dictation, speed and some tank make them a tough.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Dzajic
#25 - 2012-12-16 15:51:30 UTC
And now consider "novice" FW plexes wher DD can enter but no T2 frigs can. Completely balanced. Roll

Btw I don't think you will find anyone flying a DD as pimped as OP one without links. Few are that crazy.
Kuro Bon
Test Corp 123
#26 - 2012-12-16 16:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuro Bon
Dzajic wrote:
And now consider "novice" FW plexes wher DD can enter but no T2 frigs can. Completely balanced. Roll


Right, I completely forgot.. this is for Novice FW sites, so basically all the suggested T2 frig fits are bunk. From the Retribution patch notes..

Quote:
“Minor” complexes have been renamed “novice” and now only accept tech1 frigates only (including navy or pirate - no tech2 variants allowed)


So in a Novice FW site, how do you top/survive a DD? Come with your own DD? Run?

That ECM Griffin might be fun to try.

OGBs are rumored to be going away someday (we can hope) so that abuse may end soon.

Protip: 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour.

Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-12-16 16:48:29 UTC
Yeah, just remember that this DD can fit into a novice plex (T1 frigates and faction/pirate frigates only).

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Dzajic
#28 - 2012-12-16 17:21:28 UTC
Died to every single DD I ever met, though last one died 10 sec later. But that was rail dd with very little pimp so not relevant to discussion.

Anyway, just wild guessing, maybe one of rebalanced Amarr frigs? Or maybe dual MASB or MASB+invul Merlin? You cant outdps the DD, so you have to outtank it and outlast it.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#29 - 2012-12-16 19:38:23 UTC
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Cedo Nulli wrote:
On personal experience only 1/5 Daredevils actually fly without OGB.

Soloing one is going to be an uphill battle to begin with ...



What exactly will an OGB help him with here? People talk about OGBs as if they're some magical instawin button. FIrst of all, it's very easy to detect an OGB. Second of all, both my suggestion and Invocat's suggestion would still be able to beat that daredevil.


OGB's will give hima 20km web if he has a factinon web.

You're only reliable option is to fly an interceptor with disruptor range bonus, and pull him apart from well outside his effective damage range.

A Condor is another possible option.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#30 - 2012-12-17 00:31:49 UTC
DD is not the only ship that can have OGB. I've been having a blast with a 400mm plate Tristan. I've killed just about every other tech one frigate out there with it. I've also claimed a DD or two in it as well as a Jaguar.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2012-12-17 02:15:29 UTC
What about a succubus with a neut? or a armor repped punisher or asb merlin, maybe a worm with warriors, just some random thoughts. But as said above, anyone in a faction ship is not really solo as they will have off grid boosting..
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#32 - 2012-12-17 03:05:13 UTC
500 DPS daredevil?

Shoot it once. If they managed to pack enough magstabs on there to get it 500 DPS its tank probably consists of a damage control...

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-17 04:29:16 UTC
You edited the novice thing in later!

Still a linked incursus/merlin would win! (as would a pimped dramiel)

Condor has a shot aswell (land, heat mwd, aply dualdamps hope you got away more than the few km he has lockrange left). Otherwise if you are inside and he comes for you a raildevil will win comfortably!
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#34 - 2012-12-17 04:59:08 UTC
im gonna go with the: get a hookbill with double TDs. or the: get a firetail with arty and double TDs. you may not be able to force him to stay and play, but he's not likely to get you either. and hey, maybe he REALLY wants to keep trying. ;p
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-12-17 05:56:05 UTC
Silas Shaw wrote:
im gonna go with the: get a hookbill with double TDs. or the: get a firetail with arty and double TDs. you may not be able to force him to stay and play, but he's not likely to get you either. and hey, maybe he REALLY wants to keep trying. ;p


problem with that is that hes on zero when the fight starts and that he has a 27km 90% web.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#36 - 2012-12-17 06:20:47 UTC
dual web armour merlin!

Now lets see how quickly the gimp fitted 500dps DD goes down!!

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-12-17 08:26:35 UTC
Assuming he's sitting directly on the beacon, there's nothing tech 1 Frigate sized that's going to pop it before it dies, and anything it can't kill it can run away from.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2012-12-17 09:08:32 UTC
Bring twenty friends along in whatever and educate him as to how PvP in EvE really works.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#39 - 2012-12-17 09:13:42 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Bring twenty friends along in whatever and educate him as to how PvP in EvE really works.


Hehe. So true :)
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#40 - 2012-12-17 10:27:57 UTC
dual web hookbil .... same web, scram MSE and 120 dps with rockets ... keep at 10 km with overheated webs and scram ... he will be dead in water during first 10 secs.

dual web 400mm rocket plate kestrel do the same business and u will have hilarious moment of tears in local from him.

but if yo ucannot fit t2 these ships dont go against competent dd pilot.



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