EVE General Discussion

Low/Null, has already much much better rewards in L4s, incursions, much better belt rats (with faction spawns), better PLEXes etc.

The "risk" of low/null you pointing at is player driven.

…but they're not commensurate with the increased risks.

Increasing reward suggestion once again....sigh. Increasing rewards will NOT change the risk factor which people deem to be too high. Instant information strikes once again, doing an insane amount of damage.

In order to lure people to do missions or whatever in low-sec you have to fulfil TWO criteria:

One: You have to be able to go to a low-sec system without any trigger-happy player knowing.

Two: You have to be able to REMAIN there UNDETECTED for a long enough time in order to reap whatever rewards it has to offer.


Obviously the second point in particular must not be swung to the other extreme. That is why local must go and d-scan changed.

CCP will probably never increase rewards in low-sec to the levels that some people want to see them for the obvious reason that it would only contribute to even more evil isk pouring in and second of all, it will just end up in groups of blood thirsty players reaping said rewards and effectively keeping the very people that you want to bring in, away, because, again, the RISK would not be worth it; in fact the RISK would have increased.

…yes, and that risk is entirely intended but not compensated for in the rewards. It is not a player-made problem — it's a problem of two design goals that don't match: one of player-made risks and one of mechanics-made rewards, where the latter are not scaled to the former.

Now, the next problem comes with the unfortunate fact that simply bumping the low and null rewards alone is not a good solution — quite the opposite since it risks ruining the economy. You can only offer so many carrots before the countryside keels over from acute carotene poisoning. Due to the integrated and interconnected nature of the EVE industrial economy, such buffs must be counter-balanced by nerfs in other areas (and the harshness will depend on the elasticity of player choice — it's not necessarily a zero-sum game). Hell, in some details, such nerfs need to happen even without any corresponding buffs, but that's a different story.

So no, those complaints are more like bandits living in the woods complaining that there aren't enough meadows and game, and that the welfare state is such that one might question why on earth they became bandits to begin with.

The two are much the same. So yes, they should.

Yes, risk vs reward is broken. Hisec needs fixing. The risk in hisec is much higher than in 0.0. I'm at high risk to get bored in hisec, and much less at risk for that in 0.0. Losing a ships is not something I worry about - I have plenty of isk to buy another.

And it is in all aspects. Safer and present less rewards


I dunno about others but i personally made about 40 billions just spending 1-2 hours a day living in Droneland (before drones were converted to ISK). And i'm a lazy bear. So i reallly can't comment about "need more rewards".

On the other hand: take a look to alliances like PL/Goons. They are crazily rich. Goons even drop billions to support suicide in empire. Do you know any other alliance (not from 0.0) able to do the same?

Real ISK is in 0.0


It is. And it's ok. There is one big problem: players. CCP can't do anything with this risk factor.

LOL you have not been playing this game long eh?

It has happened in the past already and the "END OF EVE" did not come...

I LOVE NOOBS

EVE is not about risk. It's about strategics.

When was the last time a war was fought in Deklein? Not Venal, fade, tribute, Branch but in Deklein? I can't remember. It's the High Sec of null sec because it has such a huge passive income potential. Yet it is never under siege. You can't just take 200 sub caps to Deklein and break the income back bone. You need fleets big enough to stront their POS chains. You need to be able get that fleet through multiple regions of hostile by NBSI politics, regions to do it.

You could suggest that me as a high Sec player needs to wage campaigns in Null to keep the null bears off my ISK faucets. Those being High Sec trade lanes and mission hubs. It still wouldn't be true in the case of current EVE politics. I can't and neither can any alliance with the desire to do so, put threat in the face of the 'enemy' that will break them.

Right now, there is no strategic means of bringing down the Nap group that dominates EVE. Join up, bow down to the blob or be crushed by the economic engine that backs it. In the short term, in the long term but you will fall to the machine.

You are correct about the validity of the action. If by some strange miracle an alliance could get a massive capital fleet in to say NPC Venal, they could launch a campaign against the heart of the NAP train. Either by moving a fleet there or building it there. If someone wanted to dedicate 2 years to getting that set up? You could rewrite EVE. Who has the desire and the motivation to do that? It sure as hell isn't me. Until that happens though, you either join the NAP train or stay in High Sec with random Null sec entertainment.

You dumbed down my reply to one line.
Go away goon alt.

- Edit: My apologies to Goonswarm. This isn't a Goon alt, just an idiot who first goes on a long winded ideological rant, then ends by telling me "I don't know mechanics".

Truth is, Goons have been telling us how to beat them for a few years now and I think they are doing it on purpose, in the spirit of game play.

Tech Moon is Moon based. Kill POS fuel and you kill their income. Not by spiking the prices but by wiping out POS fuels to Deklein.
Granted I am sure they have 2 years worth up there by now.