Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Simple, just like FW sites, the beacons appear on the overview as soon as they are warped to

First come first served?

What, like downtime itself? ;)

OP seems like change for changes sake.

This started as a civilised discussion about how to improve the career of mining, essentially making it competitive enough to do and a little more interesting. We were also looking for a way to make the exploration career more fortuitous.

And yet, somehow I don't think you've read much of the thread, just the title, before jumping to the conclusion that a select group of people are sick minded. Are you a psychologist? Are you qualified to make that diagnosis? Or are you just trying to ram your own version of what qualifies as "healthy" onto everyone like the half-baked suggestion that someone needs to "get a life" just because they're a gamer?

I suggest it is more sick minded to make uneducated assumptions about the state of mind of someone you know nothing about than it is to discuss possible alterations to game mechanics to improve the game for everybody. After all, wouldn't it be nice if there were less bots drilling the ores that you needed for that ship you want to build? How much LESS tedious would it be if the minerals you needed weren't being carted away by script kiddies with too much isk and multiple accounts?

I would also suggest that if mining feels like such a chore to you, then you probably aren't really enjoying the game. It's really just a second job to you, and we'd be doing you a favour by booting you out of mining altogether.

Is it stupid to talk about changes to the game? I take it you haven't read The Big Lie. You have a choice here: you can read it, and educate yourself, or you can ignore it, and continue to fall for the Big Lie, being nothing more than forum span whose opinions go ignored as the trollbait they seem to be. Or perhaps you actually have something constructive to offer the discussion? Some idea of your own that would achieve the results we are looking for? Oh.... wait.... you didn't read the thread, and you have no idea what results we were looking for, do you.

Making mining an exploration based minigame would be lovely but imo it would worsen botting.

First of all if we make discovered belts create a warpable beacon, then we fall just in the same situation we are today. A guy discovers the belt first, all jump and freeload into it.

If they don't create a warpable beacon, then we fall exactly in today's grav sites situation: back during Hulkageddon, out of a whole day in a busy system (Emolgranlan) I have been "invaded" about twice (I have scanned and done grav sites for weeks) despite it's been roamed by Bat Country and James 315. This means bots will be at absolute peace.
IE the ones selectively put out are the potential killers who for some reason seem to can't be arsed scanning.

How do I know bots will adapt? Well I have added as contact the Orcas of some botters and now they are all in 0.0 (which now it's much bots friendly). If they went to the effort of moving their stuff in 0.0, they certainly can put the effort at scanning a belt.

The grav sites are rare enough, the real worthy ones (the large) are even rarer. Given their relative rarity they could use a little tweak about the roids composition and yeld some more high ends, just to make more miners bother to put :effort: into scanning them.

The WHs can be annoying but easily skipped by using the advices and data explained in this exploration web site.

I'd indeed would love to see "comet mining" or whatever CCP called the new feature, hopefully it won't just be another vaporware.

I have seen advices in this tread, that suggests the use of filters in the system scanner.
Dont do this yet, b /c these filters do not work the way they should work.

The filter only sorts scan results temporarily out, that have a measured signature strenght sufficient to be identified.
By moving your probes, results sorted out the previous scan, show up again, because now their measured signature strenght is lower.

Summary: Dont use filters until CCP changes their behavior.

Moved from General Discussion.

I'm confused. I read through the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread and did not see anywhere where anybody explained why this would benefit the game? I admit I gave up after that, because it was all meaningless-feeling without that part established first. I apologize if this was made clear later on in discussion.

But yeah. I agree that it wouldn't BREAK the game (since new sites show up when old ones are mined out, the same amount of ore would be brought in, etc.). But "not breaking stuff" does not, alone, make something a good idea.

What goal is this accomplishing that would make eve more fun?

You cant ignore, what is filtered out!
Please dont give advice, when not knowing what you are talking about.

How is it any easier than with normal asteroid belts, which also respawn constantly, and could just as easily have their contents fine tuned?


Surely CCP could randomize space scenery in existing belts, every day during downtime?


This sounds like a negative to me by itself: Less player interaction in an MMO, plus the reason why you get higher valued ores right now in lowsec and nullsec, for instance, is precisely because of the risk you face in being hot-dropped by hostile intruders...

Removing the ease of being attacked by adding in scanning requirements and prior warning by being able to see probes nearby ahead of time would need to be balanced by a significant drawback for miners. Like lower yields on all lasers and strip miners, for instance.


I don't follow you. Grav sites are generally less predictable in their contents than are asteroid belts, which seems like it would make it harder to plan ahead of time and target one's activities, not easier.




The main effect I would predict would be not really any of the above, but instead just the weirdly imbalancing factor of requiring all miners to have covops ships on hand and extremely advanced scanning skills, etc. in order to make any money. I.e. the effect would be to essentially add a lot more prerequisites to mining (shutting out newbies), and adding a layer of annoyance in having to scan and then go switch ships, and possibly even characters to actually go mine.

Why would any of that be desirable? Why would we want to shut out newbies from mining or add extra skills or ships or juggling of ships needed to be an effective miner?