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EULA: Loan an alt account?

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#21 - 2012-12-14 16:38:28 UTC
Aptenodytes wrote:
Yes, with such a policy, an RMTer could simply say that their friend did it not them, and that the account should not be banned. With a punishment of banning for both crimes, "it was my mate not me" it is moot defence.


I covered that in my post. At your own risk means that if a friend RMTed with your account, you are held accountable. Simple enough.
And in no way does allowing account sharing make account hacking legal. Authorised use and unauthorised use are very very different. Conflating the two is silly.
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#22 - 2012-12-14 16:44:30 UTC
Well, good luck getting CCP to see it that way!
Edlorna Tinebe
The Elerium Trust
#23 - 2012-12-15 04:51:15 UTC
GM Spiral wrote:
Logging into someone else's account or giving someone else access to your account is in violation of section 2 B of the End Users License Agreement. I would advise against putting that to the test. People put a lot of work into their EVE accounts and having it compromised or banned is generally not an entertaining situation.

If you have any further questions about this, your account or our policies then please file a petition and we'll be happy to answer and advise you in detail regarding your situation.


Thanks for the clear-cut answer. I have no intention of putting it to the test; that was the whole point of asking.

J'Poll wrote:
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Given that you just posted this on the forum which is monitored by CCP...

Great job, they can easily back trace what your alt account is and monitor the logs.


Of course they know which are my alt accounts. Trying to conceal that information from CCP, or trying to avoid CCP's all-seeing gaze, only matters to botters and RMT folks. Since I'm not doing anything illegal, I couldn't care less whether they pay extra attention to my accounts as a result of this thread. I asked on here before acting specifically so I could avoid doing anything illegal.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-15 09:22:01 UTC
Shandir wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
It's a case of "don't ask, don't tell", what you have to understand is that CCP isn't being a party pooper because they want to but because there's such a mess for the GM's to clean up after account sharing (of any kind) if it goes wrong. So instead of trying to figure out the "he said, she said" and having to back trace all the transactions logs they can now go "banned lol" and use their time for more important stuff, like actual problems.

So if you ask them they'll give you the official answer, just don't ask but also IF it goes wrong don't petition.


The thing is, there's a much neater (at least from my perspective - probably not a lawyer's) solution - state that players do so at their own risk, and that any action taken by the account is considered to be taken by the account holder. You wouldn't be able to petition for lost stuff, or claim that any bad behavior was someone else.

Wouldn't it be much easier if, instead of this unspoken 'don't ask, don't tell' policy, they simply said it was okay if you realise you're taking a massive risk to your account doing so.

I really think that this policy is probably also affected by account-selling. If they allow account borrowing, perhaps it opens them up legally to account selling?


Problem with that...

Person A gives person B the log in details while on holiday.

Person B is an asshat and changes the password + email adress linked to the account.

Person A is now without an EVE account...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-15 09:24:41 UTC
Shandir wrote:
Aptenodytes wrote:
Yes, with such a policy, an RMTer could simply say that their friend did it not them, and that the account should not be banned. With a punishment of banning for both crimes, "it was my mate not me" it is moot defence.


I covered that in my post. At your own risk means that if a friend RMTed with your account, you are held accountable. Simple enough.
And in no way does allowing account sharing make account hacking legal. Authorised use and unauthorised use are very very different. Conflating the two is silly.


Then how would you proof to CCP that someone

* Had authorised access to your account

* Used unauthorised methods to access your account.

As you have NO way to proof to CCP in any legal way that it's either the first or the seconds, so CCP just always go by the seconds option and ban both accounts.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#26 - 2012-12-16 01:54:20 UTC
So what it really comes down to is that so long as no one is complaining (read: petition of account theft) then there's nothing to see here, move along citizen. But the second they get a complaint then the account goes poof, end of story, no questions & no appeals.

Seems a bit harsh, but as others have said, it gives them legal carte blanche to avoid having to deal with a stream of whining every day. Still not sure if being so draconian is really the way to go, however.

What they should do at least is make "consent forms" available for those who want them. Fill it out saying that yes, such & such person can use your account and that you're ok with it. That way they can still keep their draconian policy and keep customers happy at the same time.

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