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Capsuleers and Political Power in the Empires

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#21 - 2012-12-14 05:17:00 UTC
Yes, as others have said our major sources of income are given to us by baseliners. There is not one capsuleer who can bring into circulation a single kredit. Not even a tenth of a kredit. Rather, the kredits that do exist in capsuleer hands are circulated in exchange for goods and services. The original source of these kredits, however, are entirely rooted in the baseliners. CONCORD bounties, contract payouts from megacorporate agents, and all such things are the sole source of liquid kredits.

Now, it would be entirely possible for capsuleers to create their own currency and start using that, though they'd also have to create a very sophisticated banking system and ways to track such a currency. At this point capsuleers could build whatever they needed in the dark corners of 0.0, using their own blueprints and minerals extracted from their sovereignty, and trade such goods with whatever currency they made up. The Empires and CONCORD would have no say over this, though of course such an alliance would have to appease (or for those so inclined coerce, though I can't see how that would turn out well) its baseline shipyard workers and the like to keep order in place.

I think a good group of capsuleers to ask further on this subject would be the wormhole-dwellers. Cut off from stations and any sources of liquid kredits, they mine from the hidden asteroids and build what they need to at their own starbases. Or perhaps they just find a wormhole back to Empire space and buy there, but I can't imagine that being easy. Point being, it would be possible for capsuleers to go off and do their own thing, but it would require a level of organization that, again, only the Empires and pirate groups wield. And judging by the sorts of conversations that go on in Local, I can't fathom capsuleers becoming that conscientious on such a large scale any time soon.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-12-14 23:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Sepherim wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I will not argue that the CFC fleet is larger than any empire's. I will however, say that we are more destructive, just by the virtue that we are capsuleers. I did time in the Caldari and Amarrian Militia and I can attest that I never lost a single ship to the enemy navy, the only thing that had a chance of killing me was another capsuleer.

Edit: what do you say that the size of the fleet is, in terms of Titans, Supercarriers, Dreads, and battleships?


I agree, we are the elite. But don't make the mistake of thinking they don't have pod pilots, this project wasn't born only from Jove intervention. I myself served for years in the Amarrian Navy. Though those fleets are rarely deployed, as the main strenght of all faction warfare fleets are pod pilots since CONCORD decided that was the only way to stabilize those war theatres and prevent another full-fledged invasion. And look where that brought us... three years of war and countless deaths. But I digress.

As for the size of the fleet, I don't think it matters. Never bothered to count it, nor we know if that was one fleet alone or several of them united, nor has the Empire ever made public how many fleets it actually has. We can keep it at that: they have many more in numbers and quality than we do, more organized and centralized ressources. We may be the best pilots in space, but that isn't the only thing.


The description of the holoclip said that it was the Imperial Domain fleet. I'm guessing about fortyish titans, and an equal number of Aeons, about a hundred or so dreads, but no carriers that I could see. Lastly, it looked to me that there were about two thousand battleships. Assuming those numbers are close to accurate, the CFC fleet can take that.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-12-15 00:02:17 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
The description of the holoclip said that it was the Imperial Domain fleet. I'm guessing about 40ish titans, and an equal number of Aeons, about a hundred or so dreads, but no carriers that I could see. Lastly, it looked to me that there were about 2 thousand battleships. Assuming those numbers are close to accurate, the CFC fleet can take that.


I have no doubt the combined might of the CFC fleet could take that - but not without significant cost to yourselves, and not without losing some of the nullsec territories you've fought so hard to win. Besides, I highly doubt that CONCORD would stand idly by in the event of such an incursion, and the Amarr and Caldari militia capsuleer fleets would likely throw their weight in as well.

Lastly, I strongly doubt that it was the entire Domain fleet. The Amarr do like to put on a show, but they aren't by any means stupid - they wouldn't deprive their own core region of its entire defensive fleet during a war with the Minmatar Republic. I strongly suspect what we saw was a large fraction of the fleet, but not its entirety.

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Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2012-12-15 01:22:48 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
The description of the holoclip said that it was the Imperial Domain fleet. I'm guessing about fortyish titans, and an equal number of Aeons, about a hundred or so dreads, but no carriers that I could see. Lastly, it looked to me that there were about two thousand battleships. Assuming those numbers are close to accurate, the CFC fleet can take that.


I doubt seriously that the Imperial Domain fleet deployed its full strength to a single place OR that it would allow a holoclip of its full strength to be broadcast.. More likely that was the local active portion of the Imperial Domain Fleet reserves. The fact that not a single carrier was visible was a bit of a hint that it wasn't their full strength. The force composition seems slightly strange, if you think of it, very Titan heavy and not enough Dreads plus no carriers...

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-12-15 01:57:50 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
The description of the holoclip said that it was the Imperial Domain fleet. I'm guessing about fortyish titans, and an equal number of Aeons, about a hundred or so dreads, but no carriers that I could see. Lastly, it looked to me that there were about two thousand battleships. Assuming those numbers are close to accurate, the CFC fleet can take that.


I doubt seriously that the Imperial Domain fleet deployed its full strength to a single place OR that it would allow a holoclip of its full strength to be broadcast.. More likely that was the local active portion of the Imperial Domain Fleet reserves. The fact that not a single carrier was visible was a bit of a hint that it wasn't their full strength. The force composition seems slightly strange, if you think of it, very Titan heavy and not enough Dreads plus no carriers...


Sepherim wrote:
Just check on the video feed of Empress Jamyl's coronation, some years ago. If you then tell me your corporation's fleet is that size, has that many titans, etc, then I'll want proof of it. As of now, you haven't proven any of your claims.


That was what I was responding to. The CFC outnumbers the fleet shown on the clip.

If we're going to be fighting the entire Imperial fleet, dearest Mittens is going to call the HBC. And that will be a fight for history.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-15 02:13:51 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
If we're going to be fighting the entire Imperial fleet, dearest Mittens is going to call the HBC. And that will be a fight for history.


Absolutely. Although I hope you're resigned to losing it unless you can convince the Minmatar or the Gallente to back you up.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-12-15 05:14:17 UTC
There's more about corporation than just money. And not all profits can be measured by them.
For example, in some systems a rich manager could buy himself a good position. But no money can make him more smarter or competent. And thus his money and position will only hurt corporation by not having more competent employee in his place.

Capsuleers are part of machines, we are just reusable spaceship controlling modules, our corporation and alliance-managing skills are very basic (what we would call 'empire control' a baseliner would call 'a small company'), so just do your job and let more competent and trained personnel take control over corporations.

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