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loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#121 - 2012-12-13 05:17:37 UTC
Leonardo Rocha wrote:
Yes, I confirm that the missions are Deadly. I got FULL agro at another lvl 4 mission too.

The was lot of Dampeners that was hard to lock the frigs. The worse thing is that the frigs switches the scram on/off. So, you now must to kill ALL frigs to be sure you are not being scrambled.

I am very disappointed with the modification. The reward were not good at the past. Now, its useless to do lvl 4 missions even at high sec.

Is CCP thinking about to end the mission runner profession ?




nope, you are right. its become completely useless to run missions. in hi-sec. anymore. the ONLY answer to this problem is for you to give me all your mission ships. i ll find a loving home for them i promise.

kill em all.
Mund Richard
#122 - 2012-12-13 10:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Piugattuk wrote:
BS hitting every X secs = X dps
Cruiser hitting twice as fast with more of them is equal or greater then dps coming from BS.
Don't under estimate cruiser damage.

Interesting, in my experience, battleships hit almost as often as cruisers, apart from their missiles, which get fired quite rarely indeed.

I would ratherlook at it differently a bit:
For me:
Battleship: 4 broadsides (and 132 dps incoming, according to outdated NPC info).
Elite cruiser: 2 broadsides (50 dps inc).
Regular cruiser/BC: 1 broadside each (44 and 60 dps incoming).

So apparently, I should go in the order of BC>Cruiser>BS>Elite Cruiser.
However, sometimes the weaker BS die in 3 salvo, just to spite me, and mess this up. Roll

edit:
however, I just remembered that I have had orbiting battleships miss me in my battleship, so that may reduce their dps, and as such their priority as well.
Although ships with annoying EWAR > ships without it.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#123 - 2012-12-13 10:38:41 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:

edit:
however, I just remembered that I have had orbiting battleships miss me in my battleship, so that may reduce their dps, and as such their priority as well.
Although ships with annoying EWAR > ships without it.


This can happen a good bit in faster BS's, I get missed ~75% of the time by BS's in my BS (unless I and target painted or webbed lol)
Mund Richard
#124 - 2012-12-13 11:00:58 UTC
Sammybear wrote:
This can happen a good bit in faster BS's, I get missed ~75% of the time by BS's in my BS (unless I and target painted or webbed lol)
Oh yes, I didn't say that this even happens when I sit still, and babysit my sentries.
Go figure, drones aren't the only ones who can't hit stuff due to their own transversal. Roll

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#125 - 2012-12-14 09:59:29 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
2k+ tank is required


No it's not. You can always take the option of warping out, repairing and returning.

Also their DPS output relaxes significantly as you work your way through the mission, also known as Gun Tanking.


Warping out is not tanking, LTFR.


No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Schroeder Karloff
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-12-14 12:57:40 UTC
Anyone able to confirm specific FRA fixes? Have been scanning the other threads, but there are conflicting reports of "fixed/not-fixed" so not sure what the skinny is. If no joy will go throw some cheapo pos into em and check, was just wondering if anyone had already done so :D

Plus I assume post patch that anything FRA-related that is still "not fixed" is working as intended? No worries with that, would just like confirmation :)
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#127 - 2012-12-14 14:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Schroeder Karloff wrote:
Anyone able to confirm specific FRA fixes? Have been scanning the other threads, but there are conflicting reports of "fixed/not-fixed" so not sure what the skinny is. If no joy will go throw some cheapo pos into em and check, was just wondering if anyone had already done so :D

Plus I assume post patch that anything FRA-related that is still "not fixed" is working as intended? No worries with that, would just like confirmation :)


Can't say I have done very mission since, but the FRA was fixed in the ones I did do.

Quote:
You can only tank certain ships to do every mission with full room agro. 2k+ tank is required, most ships cant attain that even with officer mods. The ones that can do it have **** DPS.


Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR


I read it on Eve Survival and confirmed it in a RS. It's over, they fixed it, please go be bitter about something else now. Thanks in advance.

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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Schroeder Karloff
Doomheim
#128 - 2012-12-14 16:09:19 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:

Can't say I have done very mission since, but the FRA was fixed in the ones I did do.


Much appreciated, cheers fella.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#129 - 2012-12-14 19:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Cipher Jones wrote:


Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR


I read it on Eve Survival and confirmed it in a RS. It's over, they fixed it, please go be bitter about something else now. Thanks in advance.


Who said I was bitter, I was doing the missions fine. Never took 2k DPS (partially because of guntanking) and the option to warp out is there for people who can't guntank.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Mund Richard
#130 - 2012-12-14 23:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR

Never took 2k DPS (partially because of guntanking)

Never took 2k dps in a L4 mission partially because of guntanking, but mainly because there being no L4 with 2k dps. Roll

But this is just a nitpick, dealing damage, being in a more manouverable ship (and now the LMJD) all help as well.
And knowing the triggers, and when (not) to shoot them.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2012-12-14 23:54:58 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR

Never took 2k DPS (partially because of guntanking)

Never took 2k dps in a L4 mission partially because of guntanking, but mainly because there being no L4 with 2k dps. Roll


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Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#132 - 2012-12-14 23:57:44 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR

Never took 2k DPS (partially because of guntanking)

Never took 2k dps in a L4 mission partially because of guntanking, but mainly because there being no L4 with 2k dps. Roll
.



full room aggro from smash the supplier comes to mind.... Roll
Mund Richard
#133 - 2012-12-15 00:25:02 UTC
Sammybear wrote:
full room aggro from smash the supplier comes to mind.... Roll

Never ran it. Now I must try!
Reading about it, takes spawns to get in place to get that dps, and starts after accepting the mission? What?
How long does it take for the room to be populated fully?

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#134 - 2012-12-15 00:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sammybear
Mund Richard wrote:
Sammybear wrote:
full room aggro from smash the supplier comes to mind.... Roll

Never ran it. Now I must try!
Reading about it, takes spawns to get in place to get that dps, and starts after accepting the mission? What?
How long does it take for the room to be populated fully?


not really sure, but it starts out pretty heavy, and just gets worse lol

not hard to "speed tank" even in a mael lol, as you start out 60km away, but staying in one spot is... not really advisable lol.

roughly 20 BS, 20 BC and ~18 frig/cruiser at full spawn. I love the 50-60m in tags/loot as well :D
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#135 - 2012-12-15 06:11:56 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR


I read it on Eve Survival and confirmed it in a RS. It's over, they fixed it, please go be bitter about something else now. Thanks in advance.


Who said I was bitter, I was doing the missions fine. Never took 2k DPS (partially because of guntanking) and the option to warp out is there for people who can't guntank.


While you might have been doing them in a manner that you consider "fine", you were not doing them as fast as when they function correctly. That's what the rest of us were concerned about. I apologize for mistaking your confusion with bitterness.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#136 - 2012-12-15 16:35:15 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


Quote:
No, but nor does it mean a 2k+ tank is REQUIRED. LTFR


I read it on Eve Survival and confirmed it in a RS. It's over, they fixed it, please go be bitter about something else now. Thanks in advance.


Who said I was bitter, I was doing the missions fine. Never took 2k DPS (partially because of guntanking) and the option to warp out is there for people who can't guntank.


While you might have been doing them in a manner that you consider "fine", you were not doing them as fast as when they function correctly. That's what the rest of us were concerned about. I apologize for mistaking your confusion with bitterness.


Oh I'm not disagreeing it certainly wasn't as effective for most people when the FRA bug came in. I'm fortunate enough to be able to guntank, so a hard 2k DPS tank wasn't "required" Which was my point.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#137 - 2012-12-15 18:19:37 UTC
I guess il have to find something else to do while this gets fixed.
maybe read a book I don't know.
Sammybear
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#138 - 2012-12-15 22:49:18 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
I guess il have to find something else to do while this gets fixed.
maybe read a book I don't know.


the full room aggro has been fixed...