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Preemptive Action

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Deathan Taxxis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-14 16:31:06 UTC
I have been informed of a potential corporate scam about to be pulled on me.

If you were in my situation, what action would you take to deal with the threat? Simply boot out the troublemaker? Or find some way to make them pay... For what they haven't done yet?

If it's the latter, what suggestions do you have about going about this?
Da Grim Reaper
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-14 16:57:33 UTC
Does one punish a person for something they have not done, but heard from someone else that said person will do it?

Go see Minority Report and then figure it out.
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#3 - 2012-12-14 17:09:55 UTC
I'd go all Ocean's Eleven and figure out a way to make the scam backfire on them.
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#4 - 2012-12-14 17:29:14 UTC
It all depends upon how much time you want to spend on this person and what options are available to you. At the very least, you need to remove all roles from that character and make sure assets are locked down. After that, you need to answer your questions for yourself.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2012-12-14 18:12:42 UTC
Da Grim Reaper wrote:
Does one punish a person for something they have not done, but heard from someone else that said person will do it?

Go see Minority Report and then figure it out.


Proof of intent is enough in some countries. Conspiracy to commit murder is still a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)

http://www.eonline.com/news/371013/justin-bieber-murder-plot-two-fugitives-conspired-to-strangle-and-castrate-pop-star-investigators-say



But as for the OP, I'd find some way to get at them first. Perhaps they have a favorite mission boat you can awox...

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-12-14 18:58:12 UTC
Informed or proved?
I can inform people that plex prices will crash because someone bought 5000 and intend to sell them at 400 mill each, and then I can show that I have the receipt.
One is a rumor lacking substance easily manipulated (seriously do it just after dt on a high volume item and watch the humor)
The other actually means you are not some one's pawn.
Da Grim Reaper
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-14 19:25:58 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Da Grim Reaper wrote:
Does one punish a person for something they have not done, but heard from someone else that said person will do it?

Go see Minority Report and then figure it out.


Proof of intent is enough in some countries. Conspiracy to commit murder is still a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)

http://www.eonline.com/news/371013/justin-bieber-murder-plot-two-fugitives-conspired-to-strangle-and-castrate-pop-star-investigators-say



But as for the OP, I'd find some way to get at them first. Perhaps they have a favorite mission boat you can awox...


The key was PROOF of intent. Not hearsay that someone else say you would do it.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#8 - 2012-12-14 20:36:45 UTC
Deathan Taxxis wrote:
I have been informed of a potential corporate scam about to be pulled on me.

If you were in my situation, what action would you take to deal with the threat? Simply boot out the troublemaker? Or find some way to make them pay... For what they haven't done yet?

If it's the latter, what suggestions do you have about going about this?


First, I'd protect my stuff.... Move it out of their reach...
Second, I'd look at my intel to determine how reliable it is. If it is extremely reliable, I'd get even via sabotage (blow up their shinies, ruin their Reputation, etc, etc, etc). If it wasn't extremely reliable, I'd confront them with the data and listen to their side. If I'm convinced I cannot trust them, I'd ask them to leave. If I decide I can trust them, I'd only trust them with what I'm willing to lose (<-- although this is my general philosophy for eve).
Deathan Taxxis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-14 21:47:00 UTC
Some great responses, thanks for taking your time to reply.

The proof is conclusive. I won't go into details till the issue is resolved, because you probably don't want to hear it unless the outcome is spectacular.

If something shiny goes pop, I shall let you all know. Thanks all
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#10 - 2012-12-14 21:55:29 UTC
Kill them first. Ask questions later.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2012-12-14 22:00:35 UTC
Actually.... sweeten the honeypot.

Put out that the corp is close to purchasing XXXXXX fancy expensive item (BPO, faction tower, orca, rorqual, carrier, titan). Something that he would potentially have access to and would therefore be worth waiting out for rather than stripping assets immediately.

Start an ISK drive from corpmates and promise a return on their investment once said item was secured. Be clear about how it will be key to the development of the corporation.

The point of the ISK drive is not to rip off your corpmates but to entice him to invest some of his own money before you blow him up and kick him from corp.

1. He will hopefully hold out for the bigger haul.
2. If he is in it to grief rather than profit then the chance to do even greater damage to your corp by denying your development will be a further goal.
3. Good luck

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Lolar55
Banana Toaster
#12 - 2012-12-14 22:32:36 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Actually.... sweeten the honeypot.

Put out that the corp is close to purchasing XXXXXX fancy expensive item (BPO, faction tower, orca, rorqual, carrier, titan). Something that he would potentially have access to and would therefore be worth waiting out for rather than stripping assets immediately.

Start an ISK drive from corpmates and promise a return on their investment once said item was secured. Be clear about how it will be key to the development of the corporation.

The point of the ISK drive is not to rip off your corpmates but to entice him to invest some of his own money before you blow him up and kick him from corp.

1. He will hopefully hold out for the bigger haul.
2. If he is in it to grief rather than profit then the chance to do even greater damage to your corp by denying your development will be a further goal.
3. Good luck


Can you imagine what would happen if that same guy was reading your post now?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2012-12-14 22:43:18 UTC
Deathan Taxxis wrote:
Some great responses, thanks for taking your time to reply.

The proof is conclusive. I won't go into details till the issue is resolved, because you probably don't want to hear it unless the outcome is spectacular.

If something shiny goes pop, I shall let you all know. Thanks all


If you have conclusive proof that he is going to scam the corp..... You have the perfect setup....

Scam the corp before he does.... and then use the "conclusive" proof of his intentions to lay the corp theft on him....

You get off free... and he get's the social reprisals!
takedoom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-14 22:49:09 UTC
Deathan Taxxis wrote:
I have been informed of a potential corporate scam about to be pulled on me.

If you were in my situation, what action would you take to deal with the threat? Simply boot out the troublemaker? Or find some way to make them pay... For what they haven't done yet?

If it's the latter, what suggestions do you have about going about this?


Take all the money and assets yourself. **** someone is going to steal it anyway might as well be you right?

http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-15 08:26:15 UTC
Da Grim Reaper
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-17 18:20:22 UTC
Well if you have solid proof of intent, then by all means execute your punishment.
GODS H4ND
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-12-18 12:05:21 UTC
I'd say you kill there ship and pod them as much as possible whilst they are in the corp, then also kill and pod the person who told you for being a snitch.

Twisted
Khador Vess
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-18 19:21:02 UTC
GODS H4ND wrote:
I'd say you kill there ship and pod them as much as possible whilst they are in the corp, then also kill and pod the person who told you for being a snitch.

Twisted



http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

I think that #32 applies here