Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Most T2 ships come in 2 variants each (Field and Fleet command ships, 2 kinds of Intercepter, etc.) There are a couple of exceptions: EAF, Interdictors, HICs, Black ops and Marauders. This means most types of ship are able to come in two flavors of weapon. Electronic warfare is the weapon type on EAFs and interdiction is the weapon of interdictors and HICs, but the Battleship sized T2s suffer from a lack of variety.

With that in mind, they should double the number of BS T2s to encompass the other weapon type of each race. The new marauders should be T2 versions of the current tier 3 battleships, and, being weak in hitpoints but still using large weapons, it might be interesting to make the tier 3 battle-cruisers into alternate black ops. This will likely affect Caldari and gallente more, giving caldari T2 rail ships of battleship size while the gallente get a T2 battleship mission boat with drones and a blaster based black ops. That's not to say Minmatar and Amarr will be left out, they will get some missile ships to run with (though maybe Amarr will get drone boats with how the recent rebalances are going, making drones the defacto secondary weapon system for them)

coming soon in round 2/3 of tieracide?

not sure how a bs sized logi is going to work out, who would ever need a carrier anymore?

Khanid Abaddon please.

Marauders could use a bit of a buff to make them more than just mission boats. Right now the main problem seems to be sensor strenghth.

Now sure why we would need a bigger interdictor. Frankly it seems extremely bad policy if one ship can lock down a whole gate.


I don't think we need BS sized logi for the reason stated. I was just talking new Marauders and Black ops in each race's alternate T2 weapon system.

I do realize that might possibly add too many torp boats, though.


They are getting away from one being more powerful than the other, but I was talking more about weapons. One Caldari Command ship uses missiles, the other uses hybrids. Same With gallente, one uses drones, the other hybrids. The only exception to that is Minmatar Command ships, which are both bonused for projectiles but that seems to be changing


Indeed, that's the idea (though for me I was more thinking a T2 Rokh, and a Droneboat Marauder)

I also thought allot about tech 2 version of the tier 3 BS. Mainly because there are also 4 developers who don´t got any BS.

Also wanted to edit a new post with my ideas, but now I think I just add it here:

Edit: I created my own topic so i won´t take this over.T2 BS Class Juggernaut

OK guys.. stand back.. i got this..


i present to you.... Tech 2 ROKH!!!! in the same paintjob at the widdow (Kaalakiota)
with only 6 guns/launcher hardpoints but % bonus to bring it back up to an effective of 8. or 5 guns/launchers with 100% boost to damage so an effective of 10.. so it could be the attack varient of a maurauder, as i see maurauders more as combat ships then attack ships.

so basically larger tier 3 cruisers with less power than a tier 3 cruiser?

i dont think thats good. the marauder should be this guys baby brother. all there people talking about over power this and that, but compaired to what we have now, it doesnt hold water. now, we have titans with 8 cap weapons and a gazillion hp. we have tier 3 bc with 8 large weapons and speed out the butt. we have hacs and hics that can reach nasty hp and damage for a cruiser. we have all these ships that can really dish it out and take it, but there is a huge gap when it comes to bs's.

the oracle can hit as hard as an abaddon, nightmare and a paladin but with 1/2 or less the training time. it has a speed tank, nice tracking bonuses and relatively cheep. we have 12 t1 bc's and 8 t2 bc's. then we have bs's and only 8 t2's. 4 are weak with the hp of a bc and 4 are tanky with shytty sensors. then u have dreads and carriers and on to super carriers and titans.

we have an 1100 dps absolution. what kinds crap is that? massive tank, great fire power (limited range), but its a battle cruiser.
you cant tell me that a hac style t2 bs isnt due when we have t1 tier 3 bc that do the same damage as as t1 and t2 plus faction ships (nightmare).

we need to fill the gap. natural progression. t1 frig-t2 frig (AF), (need t2 dessy assault style)t1 cruiser- t2 cruiser (hac), t1 bc-t2 bc (command ships), t1 bs-t2 ( juggernaught perhaps)

That's a sentiment I agree with, but I don't like the idea of Marauders being the baby brother to some new T2.

First of all, Marauders could use a bit pf a PvP buff (Black Ops too, but I think they might be lacking more because their role is lacking). After that, what I am looking for is doubling the set of Marauders. I want new T2 Battleships, but the old ones should be put on even footing; that way BS players actually have a choice of weapons. besides the fact the current T2 BS aren't very good, you are also locked into a weapon system; I am a Caldari player who originally trained up gunnery skills, while my missile skills are catching up, a year ago there was no reason at all for me to train Caldari BS V for the T2s simply because both were missile boats. It's the same with the other races, there's no Khanid BS, nor are there T2 missile ships for Minmatar, and the T2 droneboat of the Gallente has no tank.

Note this means a T2 Hyperion would end up being a droneboat (though maybe still be able to fit a decent rack of blasters)


Also, I am not a BS captain myself, preferring small ships, so that comment about T2 destroyers is also a nice one.
Right now Destroyers are in the attack role, so a T2 combat destroyer (able to punch up in weight) is just what the doctor ordered.

Make a BS that has more DPS and more tank than anything else that can enter high sec and your just making a new "I WIN" button for whoever can throw enough money at them. How exactly is that fair or balanced?
who cares about entering high sec. these ships would cost so much, they wouldnt be used for anything but pvp or pve. they cost WAY too much for high sec ganking or stupidness. only the serious would buy them. would be good for worm holes, incursions, lev 4's or whatever folks want to run.

the marauder isnt by ANY MEANS a t2 hac bs. it has a VERY SMALL bonus to resistance. it can dish out some, but its not a pvp ship. hell, i would rather have the low slot they take for the resistance bonus so i can build my own tank...to me, its just an expensive bs. i dont see much other purpose for it.


fair isnt the point here, balance is. it isnt fair that i cant fly a titan on my first day, i pay as much as the next guy. balance is that in order to fly that titan, i need gobs of money, training and i am a slave to it.

a hac style bs would be expensive as hell (balance), take tons of training (balance), and be on everyones hit list. im not asking for more dps than a marauder, just a better tank and sensor cluster. i wanna use it for pve as well. i just think that there is a hole. we have bad ass ships from frigs up to command ships and then we are left with t1 bs or severly gimped t2 bs.

gimped by either crappy hp (which a blops has a reason for) or a marauder has very small resist bonus, SHYTTY sensors and an active tank bonus.
both of these are specialty ships. one is pve only, one is a transport ship for covert craft. there are no battle buggies....neither of these are tough, large sized ships for pvp/sustained combat. im not looking for craziness, just make it the same as the t2 hacs.
take the geddon hull and make a pulse boat and the abaddon for a torp boat.

also, take the recon and make a t2 bs simular to it. the amarr t2 bs would be a drone boat with neut capabilities (or same hac bonus for other races). one can cloak and one cannot. just like the recon.

personally, i think a bs style hic would be kewl. it would be immobile when bubbled up and couldnt receive assistance, the bubble might last 1-2 minutes so once popped, it better sustain itself for a while. the dictor drops a bubble, the hic is a mobile small bubble, the battle interdictor would be semi mobile until bubbled, but there would be no anchor time like a normal bubble and once bubbled up, its sig radius would be huge). or something to balance it.

Khanid Torp-baddon? YES