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Ignored by CCP, taunted by CSM

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DarkestHeart
ItsMeCorp
#1 - 2012-12-14 12:14:49 UTC
And that is the current situation when it comes to players views on the game.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2321428#post2321428

That, in the post I have linked, is the first official response we have had from CSM/CCP. They said the petition would be discussed in the Players Experiance session - no news on if it was, or what was decided. Ignored by CSM members, members that are there to represent us, the players.

Many of you will read the linked petition and just laugh but this goes beyond the JukeBox, this is now about communication with paying customers and the lack of respect CCP have for us.

I like this game, I've played it for years, but I've never felt so angry at being treated so badly by a company that is getting my money for a leisure activity.

Sort this **** out CCP.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-14 12:17:44 UTC
DarkestHeart wrote:
And that is the current situation when it comes to players views on the game.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2321428#post2321428

That, in the post I have linked, is the first official response we have had from CSM/CCP. They said the petition would be discussed in the Players Experiance session - no news on if it was, or what was decided. Ignored by CSM members, members that are there to represent us, the players.

Many of you will read the linked petition and just laugh but this goes beyond the JukeBox, this is now about communication with paying customers and the lack of respect CCP have for us.

I like this game, I've played it for years, but I've never felt so angry at being treated so badly by a company that is getting my money for a leisure activity.

Sort this **** out CCP.


Lol, "challenge accepted", perfect response for this nonsense. You do realise that you aren't the only player in the game, right?

Anyway, this is just a rant thread. ibtl

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-12-14 12:19:46 UTC
Yeah CCP, lock step and do what they say before they reach ~100 signatures~! We don't know what'll happen then!*

* Yes we do **

** abloo bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-14 12:21:29 UTC
The petition is a good idea, though. It'll show how few people really care in comparison to the number of people who play the game.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#5 - 2012-12-14 12:22:41 UTC
We, the people, do not want the jukebox to come back.

Go away.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#6 - 2012-12-14 12:23:39 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The petition is a good idea, though. It'll show how few people really care in comparison to the number of people who play the game.


No, it will show how few people in the forum really care - big difference
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-12-14 12:25:29 UTC
So someone essentially suggested spamming them with complaints about an issue that doesn't seem to really engage the player base, and dared them to ignore the spam.

No, I'd say that response was pretty much spot on.

Oh, and before you complain about the lack of reporting on CSM sessions, maybe you should learn how that reporting is done so you can have some realistic basis for that complaint…
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-14 12:26:00 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The petition is a good idea, though. It'll show how few people really care in comparison to the number of people who play the game.


No, it will show how few people in the forum really care - big difference


If someone cared enough, they'd go looking for the forums. Obviously, a lot of people are still playing completely unhindered by the removal of a feature that has no bearing on game-play whatsoever.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-12-14 12:27:09 UTC
So you're angry, that CCP hasn't treated you as a special snowflake and CSM doesn't have much personal interest in it. OMG to the riot mobile. If they said they will discuss the issue at the meeting, they'll likely do exactly that. What exactly were you hoping for here? A mass movement of thousand angry protestors, because CCP finally decided to make an actual music system for the game and removal of a crappy music player?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-12-14 12:27:46 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The petition is a good idea, though. It'll show how few people really care in comparison to the number of people who play the game.


10 days going and not even 80 signatures. If you ever needed the definition of an issue safe to ignore completely....

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-12-14 12:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
He's obviously joking. If you think it is a bad joke, then don't laugh.

But your complaint will be heard, and now it's going to make you look bad.

The Guns of Knowledge 
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-12-14 12:29:16 UTC
That thread IS in F&I...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ayumi Nevinyrall
E-Baba
#13 - 2012-12-14 12:29:23 UTC
There was a jukebox in EVE?

...
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#14 - 2012-12-14 12:31:45 UTC
Eh I was pissed they took out the Jukebox but not enough to make an issue about. CCP gets lazy and drops stuff they don't want to update, same went for the "classic client".

Plus you should always expect CCP to ignore or make wise ass comments to most things on the forums, if they didn't then you should be concerned.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-14 12:34:01 UTC
FYI, CCP's official response to the jukebox issue has been available for a while now.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Minimal Charisma
Padded Sell
#16 - 2012-12-14 12:41:16 UTC
There's a slight bug caused by the removal of the jukebox.
If you start the game with sound disabled (eg I'm supposed to be working), then enable it, you'll get no music.
And no way to start the music, other than quitting and restarting.

Besides, what was the brilliantly insightful idea that caused it to be removed?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-14 12:42:49 UTC
Minimal Charisma wrote:
There's a slight bug caused by the removal of the jukebox.
If you start the game with sound disabled (eg I'm supposed to be working), then enable it, you'll get no music.
And no way to start the music, other than quitting and restarting.

Besides, what was the brilliantly insightful idea that caused it to be removed?


Actually, that's what I did, I've had music turned off for months. Turned it on after logging in and it worked fine. Maybe you've got a problem with your sound card? I dunno.... but a bug like that would probably be more wide spread by now.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#18 - 2012-12-14 13:39:35 UTC
Hey I found the jukebox!!!

Its located at winamp.com.
DarkestHeart
ItsMeCorp
#19 - 2012-12-14 13:43:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Minimal Charisma wrote:
There's a slight bug caused by the removal of the jukebox.
If you start the game with sound disabled (eg I'm supposed to be working), then enable it, you'll get no music.
And no way to start the music, other than quitting and restarting.

Besides, what was the brilliantly insightful idea that caused it to be removed?


Actually, that's what I did, I've had music turned off for months. Turned it on after logging in and it worked fine. Maybe you've got a problem with your sound card? I dunno.... but a bug like that would probably be more wide spread by now.


Same problem happens here.

This needs clearing up - the JukeBox thread wasnt intended to be about 'Baawwww my JukeBox is missing bawww' but more about how the new music system has been implemented in a way that isn't fit for purpose.

I like this game, otherwise I wouldnt keep playing it. I just think that CCP are not learning from their mistakes when they implement what could be a great system (and I have been saying that, a lot) but its full of bugs.

As it says in the JukeBox first post, the GUI is just a way of bypassing all the bugs and allowing players to listen to what they want to until the new system works properly.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#20 - 2012-12-14 13:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: War Kitten
Minimal Charisma wrote:


Besides, what was the brilliantly insightful idea that caused it to be removed?


Do your own homework. The devblog answer is linked in a handful of threads, and can be found with minimal browsing of the Eve Information Portal forum.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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