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Is one SB better than the rest?
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Yi Winters
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-12-14 01:17:01 UTC
So I use to fly the Manticore back about 5 years ago... I just happen to be caldari so thats what I flew. But I also knew that If you wanted to fly a solid SB, the Manticore was the way to go.

With that being said, Does it still hold true?

Now that Im back in the game and starting from scratch, Im trying something new, Amarr. Is the Purifier a viable SB? Or should I not waste my time?

Im aware that a ship isnt everything and you need skills (sp and a talent to play) and rigs and blah blah blah...

Im just asking straight up, is there a better one?


Thanks!

Yi
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2012-12-14 02:21:00 UTC
Purifier is nice. Using meta equipment and a single fitting mod you can squeeze on pretty much "everything" and get respectable DPS out of it.

It just has no tank unless you are willing to give up a target painter (only has 3 mid-slots) and only deals EM damage, which is good against shield ships, but bad for most everything else.

How did you Veterans start?
Zaq Phelps
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-14 02:37:52 UTC
Yi Winters wrote:
So I use to fly the Manticore back about 5 years ago... I just happen to be caldari so thats what I flew. But I also knew that If you wanted to fly a solid SB, the Manticore was the way to go.

With that being said, Does it still hold true?

Now that Im back in the game and starting from scratch, Im trying something new, Amarr. Is the Purifier a viable SB? Or should I not waste my time?

Im aware that a ship isnt everything and you need skills (sp and a talent to play) and rigs and blah blah blah...

Im just asking straight up, is there a better one?


Thanks!

Yi


In the right hands it was pretty epic against ratters in guristas/serpentis territory, but I don't know if that still holds true with the sleeper AI in the anamolies.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-12-14 04:41:05 UTC
I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.

In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years.
Yi Winters
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-12-14 05:26:34 UTC
Thanks for the info! Makes me feel like I can't exactly make the "wrong" choice ! To the shadows I go... In time
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-12-14 05:28:26 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.

In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years.


I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#7 - 2012-12-14 07:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dibblerette
Liang Nuren wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.

In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years.


I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?

-Liang

As far as I've ever heard, the only advantage IS the damage type.

@OP, Thermal is only rarely specifically tanked against. As an example, most shield ships have an EM hole, so people will use one of the rig slots to "patch" it, and then slap an invuln and/or DCU on top. This causes thermal to become the weakest resist on many T1 shield tanked ships.

Generally, you'll want to bring a damage type that is different than the local rats, so you can hit ratters in the weakest resists. So in Blood Raider space, the Hound and Manticore are great, while a Purifier will wreak havoc on Serpentis ratters.

Just be cautious of T2 resists. If you try to kill anything T2 and Minmatar with a Purifier, you're going to have a bad time.
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-14 08:40:47 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?

-Liang


Swag.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-14 09:28:11 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.

In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years.


I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?

-Liang


You can get more raw speed out of a Nemesis than a Manticore, and you have a smaller base signature. If you're trying to slip past incoming fire, that helps. The Manticore is more agile, though, and has stronger sensors - harder to jam - but the Nemesis has a slightly better scan resolution.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-12-14 11:18:47 UTC
It's worth noting that once you can fly one bomber, you're only 512,000 SP away from flying any other bomber. Really, all that you should be asking is which one you ought to train for first.

I'd say that the Manticore is as good as any of the others, and the extra fitting room & midslot it has can come in handy for solo work. What really counts is what damage type you want to deal. If you're going to hunt ratters in Guristas space, then obviously a Kinetic bonused bomber isn't optimal; a Purifier is going to be far superior for this purpose. On the other hand if you want to go ratting in Guristas space, then the Manticore is indisputably the best. And so on.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Noisrevbus
#11 - 2012-12-14 11:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
As others have already mentioned: you need to define what you want to do with the ship.

You have four different ships, with two different slot layouts: they are good for different things.

PvE - PvP
Solo - Group
Different groups
Roles in group
Bombing - Torping
Shooting - Tackling (utility)
Dropping - Roaming - Camping
Damage types (targets)
Fitting disparity (some things can't be done)

etc.

In general, the Purifier is a good ship - i'd even go as far as to say that i belive it's potential is undervalued by many.

At the same time, without knowing how you intend to fly the ship i can't assess wether you'd realise it's potential or be better off with the ship of another race, or a completely different class of ship.
Yi Winters
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-12-14 14:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Yi Winters
Malcanis wrote:
It's worth noting that once you can fly one bomber, you're only 512,000 SP away from flying any other bomber. Really, all that you should be asking is which one you ought to train for first.

I'd say that the Manticore is as good as any of the others, and the extra fitting room & midslot it has can come in handy for solo work. What really counts is what damage type you want to deal. If you're going to hunt ratters in Guristas space, then obviously a Kinetic bonused bomber isn't optimal; a Purifier is going to be far superior for this purpose. On the other hand if you want to go ratting in Guristas space, then the Manticore is indisputably the best. And so on.



Great points, thank you

Noisrevbus wrote:
As others have already mentioned: you need to define what you want to do with the ship.

You have four different ships, with two different slot layouts: they are good for different things.

PvE - PvP
Solo - Group
Different groups
Roles in group
Bombing - Torping
Shooting - Tackling (utility)
Dropping - Roaming - Camping
Damage types (targets)
Fitting disparity (some things can't be done)

etc.

In general, the Purifier is a good ship - i'd even go as far as to say that i belive it's potential is undervalued by many.

At the same time, without knowing how you intend to fly the ship i can't assess wether you'd realise it's potential or be better off with the ship of another race, or a completely different class of ship.


Id be attempting a little PVP action. Mostly Solo or in Small groups I would guess. But thats still a few weeks out.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2012-12-14 15:01:08 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.

In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years.


I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?

-Liang

It looks cooler.
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#14 - 2012-12-14 16:36:17 UTC
The best SB is the one you can properly fit and fly.

Nemesis vs Manticore all depends upon target damage type. An untanked noctis has 8710 EHP vs thermal and 9418 vs kinetic.
Marz Ghola
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-14 17:47:57 UTC

Another thing is to simply train the racial sb which gives you damage type needed to continuously fix sec status hits. I have used puri for this in the past.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-14 20:37:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
It's worth noting that once you can fly one bomber, you're only 512,000 SP away from flying any other bomber. Really, all that you should be asking is which one you ought to train for first.


That's a loaded statement though. it is still at least 20 days more training, if you are mapped for it. Granted there are longer trains out there, but unless you are flying them all the time I personally have way more other things I'd rather be spending almost a month training before I train for all varieties of SB.