EVE General Discussion

If, as nullbears like to lie claim, 75% of hisec is nothing but their own nullbear alts... what do they hope to gain from nerfing hisec? They'd only be nerfing themselves, right?

At least they could try to get their bullcrap consistent.

It just occurred to me that this dichotomy is hardly unique to EvE.

In WoW, for example, there are those who feel all servers should be PvP servers, or there are hardcore raiding guilds that treat raiding as very srsbizness, and dismiss any less-dedicated guilds as pubbie trash.

But it even occurs in as broad a sense as 'hardcore' gamers vs. 'casual' gamers, or to put it another way; those who minmax the crap out of every possible aspect and those who are more focused on fun. Or, those who feel that story is more important than gameplay, and vice versa.
It can be any number of divisions, though it always comes down to the 'us vs. them' thing. Consoles vs PC's, Mac vs PC's, Iphone vs. Droid.

The list is endless and the difference equally arbitrary. The simple fact is that when it comes right down to it, the choice another person has in gaming, play style, hardware, or choice of dinner have a minute, if any, impact on your life. It might have some moderate effect on your choice of game, or a developers decision on which platform to release, or how many apps you have available . . . but it's hardly the end of the world. The cost of gas going up half a cent has a more profound impact on your life.

We make up these arbitrary differences in order to define ourselves and create peer groups in an increasingly socially homogenized world. There are no real differences that matter anymore; race, gender, and sexual orientation all matter far less than they did in the past. Income disparity, at least for anyone you're likely to meet with on a day-to-day basis, is almost nonexistent.
To make up for the lack of these real, physical (Though equally meaningless) differences, we create them practically out of thin air over the silliest of things, because then we can feel more secure about ourselves and our place in society. We can feel like we belong to a group, and have people that have our backs. We can feel like we belong; even if it is with a bunch of strangers thousands of miles away.

Our entire society has become obsessed with these petty and meaningless differences. Do we really need to bring it into EvE? Are you so desperate for 'lulz' and validation of self from your imaginary peer group that you need to troll around on the internet? If you are that unsure of your own self worth, then keep posting about how "It's all the carebears fault!" or how "It's all those griefing nullbears!"
Keep focusing on the imaginary 'others' are 'destroying EvE' and ignoring the real issues.

I can't believe I'm actually bothering with this... but here it goes.

So, a lot of this really boils down to the ballpark argument.

Kid A has a ball and is not willing to play, let alone hand off the ball to someone else. How about instead of picking on the kid and running to you parents crying to make them take the ball form the kid, have your parents buy you your own ball?

Seriously, this agenda-hump*ng has been going on way too long and it always comes down to taking stuff out of the game from one part and throwing it in again at another part. That's just not how it's gonna work out, neither for highsec dwellers nor nullbears.

Yes, it's massively easier to make isk in highsec with little risk involved, but then again instead of asking for a nerf why not ask for a rebalance or once? The difference between the two is insane and does actually matter.

Believe it or not, there's people that actually can't be arsed to pay supsription fees for a second job. That is like asking to pay someone to clean their toiltes in their free time and hoping to have fun with it. This place is going to go down that very same toilet that (since it has been mentioned here) i.e. Ultima Online did, yet a lot faster since the casual players will just move on and play something else.
Unfortunately that is all there is in nullsec - another lousy job for bad pay.

That means your 5 plexed alts will unfortunately not be enough to keep the servers running as there's no money in Eve anymore. Get over the stupid idead of Eve being CCP's welfare pet project because they make oh so much money elsewhere.

The more you try to force one player base out of the game to feed your own ego and/or wallets, the faster this place is gonna be gone.

If only half of the omganothernerfhighsec and the the nullbear crowd were as vocal about CCP fixing their goddamn game mechanics as they are about spitting their agenda driven nonsense (yes, that goes for both sides) all over the forums, Eve could actually become a better game.

But oh well, it will only take another million threadnoughts to finally see that happen.

We have a massive list of blues ...

Our getting along with people is killing EVE.

I don't know if this has been addressed, but this is is my most important point. To my knowledge all of the isk in EVE is generated by NPCs and distributed to the player population through player-npc interaction. Thus high sec is the source of nearly all the isk in player circulation. If the income of high sec (as a whole) was reduced less total isk would enter into player hands.
If the reduction was large enough the subsequent market fallout would be like the market effects after the chain failure of banks during the Great Depression.

For EVE's economy to be truly balanced the whole game would have to be null sec, but this runs into several problems. First video games de-humanize social contact so the average disposition tends to be more sadistic . Second reality can't be "broken" . Third no video game has ever reached a played population large enough so that the population alone can produce the stabilizing effect necessary to utilize a abstract currency, so a video game needs to have a ballast that can be leveraged to make up that short fall. Fourth this would result in a division of labor even more stratified that reality. In real life, except for entrepreneurship which is often very risky (financially) with sometimes incredible profits, risk whether financial or physical is inversely related to profit. This is because high paying jobs almost invariably require an intensive education, the analog of which in EVE is skills which can only be trained in a set amount of real time. So the new players would be stuck with risky low paying jobs and all the older players would have low risk, high paying jobs.

Nice hypocrisy, the miners using Concord is right and the gankers using Concord is wrong?

Do you understand that high-sec ganking is valid and perfectly legal way of enjoying the high-sec experience, just like mining or running missions? Or are you now dictating to everyone else which activities are acceptable and which are not?

Perhaps you should stick with the rules made by CCP.

i dislike "bears" being being given a prefix and used and/or applied in a negative connotation towards groups of people.

poor bears. they just want to eat honey and salmon and scratch their backs against trees...and not be a associated with video game politics.

have a care for all bears everywhere.

You guys are killing Eve.... again?

s/again/still/

Hide your blade behind a smile? Ring a bell? I thought so...