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Hi-sec as we know it has to come to an end ASAP, and here´s why.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#21 - 2012-12-14 00:27:01 UTC
Phil Da Agony wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
So the solution to null being one big NAP-fest is to balkanize hi-sec?



The solution to pretty much everything is to balkanize hi-sec.

Have you ever introduced a friend to EVE? have your friend ever told you "I want to transport **** for a living", "I wanna get into industry"?

What will you tell him? Would you encourage him? would you tell him "ok, its fine, youll do good", we all know that aint true.


What will I tell him? Go out, explore the universe and...


... do what you LIKE the most!


If what he likes is to play space-trucker, who am I to tell him he's dumb?

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Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#22 - 2012-12-14 00:28:30 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Phil Da Agony wrote:
...promoting single-player-esque autism in a harmful and dangerous way.


I'd like to see this changed, please, to not include the word "autism". You are using it far too loosely, and it's offensive. I don't mean to be uptight, which is why I'm asking nicely if you could please change it, perhaps something reminding people that avoiding the multiplayer part of a multiplayer game is a bit redundant. But autism is a very specific spectrum condition that a large group of people are trying to raise more understanding about in an effort to remove the ignorance surrounding it, and using the word with such negative connotations is not just a little bit offensive, but it belittles the efforts of many people in reminding others that autistics are just as human as anyone else.

So, I am asking nicely, please change it.


Edited, youre completely rite, my bad.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-12-14 00:32:57 UTC
Let me guess, there were too many pages in the "please separate the empires by low sec" thread and you felt the need to create your own?

Short answer- no.

Long answer- you don't like it, feel free to build a million thrashers and hi sec suicide about it. No one is stopping you.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-12-14 00:33:24 UTC
Phil Da Agony wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Phil Da Agony wrote:
...promoting single-player-esque autism in a harmful and dangerous way.


I'd like to see this changed, please, to not include the word "autism". You are using it far too loosely, and it's offensive. I don't mean to be uptight, which is why I'm asking nicely if you could please change it, perhaps something reminding people that avoiding the multiplayer part of a multiplayer game is a bit redundant. But autism is a very specific spectrum condition that a large group of people are trying to raise more understanding about in an effort to remove the ignorance surrounding it, and using the word with such negative connotations is not just a little bit offensive, but it belittles the efforts of many people in reminding others that autistics are just as human as anyone else.

So, I am asking nicely, please change it.


Edited, youre completely rite, my bad.


Thanks mate Big smile

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#25 - 2012-12-14 00:33:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Phil Da Agony wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
So the solution to null being one big NAP-fest is to balkanize hi-sec?



The solution to pretty much everything is to balkanize hi-sec.

Have you ever introduced a friend to EVE? have your friend ever told you "I want to transport **** for a living", "I wanna get into industry"?

What will you tell him? Would you encourage him? would you tell him "ok, its fine, youll do good", we all know that aint true.


What will I tell him? Go out, explore the universe and...


... do what you LIKE the most!


If what he likes is to play space-trucker, who am I to tell him he's dumb?


Yeah, thats the spirit, but the truth is, the space-trucker is the worst paid profession ever, boring as hell and mostly, an AFK task.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#26 - 2012-12-14 00:34:09 UTC
OP wants the sandbox all to himself so everyone has to play his way. What a bully! Blink
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#27 - 2012-12-14 00:36:04 UTC
Sarmea Moon wrote:

Long answer- you don't like it, feel free to build a million thrashers and hi sec suicide about it. No one is stopping you.



Ive already did it, but this idea is way more profitable for everyone than thrasher suicide ganks.

Seriously I expected a little bit more from you people than premade one liners, noone has come yet with a good point on why this idea is bad, just cheap trolling and nothing else.
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#28 - 2012-12-14 00:38:04 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
OP wants the sandbox all to himself so everyone has to play his way. What a bully! Blink


Quote:
Nope im not, and I previously said that its a cool thing that everyone has his own place to do whatever they want, thats good.
But not the way things are distributed right now, its bad for the game and thats a fact not an opinion, what percentage of the space is dead, unused or completely abandoned at the moment? A lot, in hi, low, and null sec.


Just re-sayin.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-12-14 00:41:53 UTC
Phil Da Agony wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
OP wants the sandbox all to himself so everyone has to play his way. What a bully! Blink


Quote:
Nope im not, and I previously said that its a cool thing that everyone has his own place to do whatever they want, thats good.
But not the way things are distributed right now, its bad for the game and thats a fact not an opinion, what percentage of the space is dead, unused or completely abandoned at the moment? A lot, in hi, low, and null sec.


Just re-sayin.


Unused space just means there's lots of room for new players. I don't think CCP is going to give up such potential for sub-expansion.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#30 - 2012-12-14 00:45:00 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Phil Da Agony wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
OP wants the sandbox all to himself so everyone has to play his way. What a bully! Blink


Quote:
Nope im not, and I previously said that its a cool thing that everyone has his own place to do whatever they want, thats good.
But not the way things are distributed right now, its bad for the game and thats a fact not an opinion, what percentage of the space is dead, unused or completely abandoned at the moment? A lot, in hi, low, and null sec.


Just re-sayin.


Unused space just means there's lots of room for new players. I don't think CCP is going to give up such potential for sub-expansion.


Unused space is just a waste to me, but even if we consider it potential, maybe is time to make use of it.
Rengerel en Distel
#31 - 2012-12-14 00:45:07 UTC
Everyone can play how they want, except for those people playing how they want in high sec? I see ...

The people in high sec generally don't care what's going on in low or null, but it seems low and null just can't stand whatever is going on in high sec. It'd be great if all the nullbears trying to change high sec would spend their time in the "how to fix null" threads proposing ideas to make null better, instead of posting how to make high sec suck so people will go to null.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-12-14 00:47:36 UTC
Phil Da Agony wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
OP wants the sandbox all to himself so everyone has to play his way. What a bully! Blink


Quote:
Nope im not, and I previously said that its a cool thing that everyone has his own place to do whatever they want, thats good.
But not the way things are distributed right now, its bad for the game and thats a fact not an opinion, what percentage of the space is dead, unused or completely abandoned at the moment? A lot, in hi, low, and null sec.


Just re-sayin.

I'm not seeing how separating highsec and creating barriers between these islands would lead to a greater spread of people. Wouldn't this just lead to greater concentration in more popular areas as you've added another harder to overcome obstacle to travel rather than just having time, which is the case now, being the primary factor in highsec travel?
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-14 00:47:37 UTC
Phil Da Agony wrote:
Sarmea Moon wrote:

Long answer- you don't like it, feel free to build a million thrashers and hi sec suicide about it. No one is stopping you.



Ive already did it, but this idea is way more profitable for everyone than thrasher suicide ganks.

Seriously I expected a little bit more from you people than premade one liners, noone has come yet with a good point on why this idea is bad, just cheap trolling and nothing else.



To boil down the 40 page thread you are ignoring- this is a stealth "nerf hi sec, they make more money than I do" null bear thread. It is NOT more profitable for hi sec dwellers, all it does is attempt to force more targets for null and low sec dwellers. It isn't going to happen. High sec breaks up, high sec dwellers leave the game.

It just means the remainder all move into the couple systems around Jita and don't move. It would tighten up the game, not spread it out.

CCP got rid of superhighways, so the player base moved from Yulai to Jita. You break up high sec, and everyone will move into whatever the biggest island left is.

As I said- you don't like it, suicide about it. Enough suicide ganks, and people leave overpopulated areas. Suicide enough Hulks, they quit flying hulks. Quit looking to CCP to change the box to what YOU want, and start moving the sand yourself.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#34 - 2012-12-14 00:49:53 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Everyone can play how they want, except for those people playing how they want in high sec? I see ...

The people in high sec generally don't care what's going on in low or null, but it seems low and null just can't stand whatever is going on in high sec. It'd be great if all the nullbears trying to change high sec would spend their time in the "how to fix null" threads proposing ideas to make null better, instead of posting how to make high sec suck so people will go to null.


Have you read my whole post? The benefits are in general-term, for the people in hi-sec too, havin a wider spectre of viable professions and making industry more accesible for new players is a GREAT benefit for us all imo.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-12-14 00:52:53 UTC
Wasted space is not going to suddenly become more "useful" just because it becomes divided. It will simply become harder to get to.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#36 - 2012-12-14 00:53:17 UTC
Sarmea Moon wrote:


To boil down the 40 page thread you are ignoring- this is a stealth "nerf hi sec, they make more money than I do" null bear thread. It is NOT more profitable for hi sec dwellers, all it does is attempt to force more targets for null and low sec dwellers. It isn't going to happen. High sec breaks up, high sec dwellers leave the game.

It just means the remainder all move into the couple systems around Jita and don't move. It would tighten up the game, not spread it out.

CCP got rid of superhighways, so the player base moved from Yulai to Jita. You break up high sec, and everyone will move into whatever the biggest island left is.

As I said- you don't like it, suicide about it. Enough suicide ganks, and people leave overpopulated areas. Suicide enough Hulks, they quit flying hulks. Quit looking to CCP to change the box to what YOU want, and start moving the sand yourself.



This has nothing to do with stealth, are you aware that boostin the importance of the regional market above the trade hubs means a better profit opportunity for hi-sec fellas? How is that nerfin hi-sec?
Kiriska
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-12-14 00:54:37 UTC
Hi sec does need changing, but what it needs is a review and update of it's content and mechanics. This is just another hit it with a hammer idea that wasn't thought through very well and won't work as intended.

There is very little content to encourage trade between the empires all this would do with current hi sec is have people clustering up the good islands and deserting the bad ones. Breaking up hi sec could be a good idea if there was content added to make each section of hi sec have it's own unique flavors and rewards.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-12-14 00:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Phil Da Agony wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Everyone can play how they want, except for those people playing how they want in high sec? I see ...

The people in high sec generally don't care what's going on in low or null, but it seems low and null just can't stand whatever is going on in high sec. It'd be great if all the nullbears trying to change high sec would spend their time in the "how to fix null" threads proposing ideas to make null better, instead of posting how to make high sec suck so people will go to null.


Have you read my whole post? The benefits are in general-term, for the people in hi-sec too, havin a wider spectre of viable professions and making industry more accesible for new players is a GREAT benefit for us all imo.


All the professions in the game are just as viable and available for one player as they are the next, regardless of what region of space they live in. In fact, it is more often than not the player's choice of profession that will determine what region of space they choose to live in, not the other way around.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Phil Da Agony
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#39 - 2012-12-14 00:55:02 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

I'm not seeing how separating highsec and creating barriers between these islands would lead to a greater spread of people. Wouldn't this just lead to greater concentration in more popular areas as you've added another harder to overcome obstacle to travel rather than just having time, which is the case now, being the primary factor in highsec travel?



Thats why a wise distribution of resources would be critical.
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-12-14 00:56:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Phil Da Agony wrote:
...promoting single-player-esque autism in a harmful and dangerous way.


I'd like to see this changed, please, to not include the word "autism". You are using it far too loosely, and it's offensive. I don't mean to be uptight, which is why I'm asking nicely if you could please change it, perhaps something reminding people that avoiding the multiplayer part of a multiplayer game is a bit redundant. But autism is a very specific spectrum condition that a large group of people are trying to raise more understanding about in an effort to remove the ignorance surrounding it, and using the word with such negative connotations is not just a little bit offensive, but it belittles the efforts of many people in reminding others that autistics are just as human as anyone else.

So, I am asking nicely, please change it.


and in fact a lesser known fact that almost everyone alive is somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

im responding to this because this is probably a better discussion than the drivel in the OP.

[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)