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TheMittani.com Gal/Cal FW update

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Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-12-13 18:11:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
If the cals work together instead of as individual entities they could really ruin our day.


You mean, "I want all Caldari go to same place so it's easier for us to blob them since yes, we do outnumber them 2:1 at all given times".

Also, another of your miltiia members saw it courteous enough to call me a pedophile today (Recnarion from Lusitan Initiative). I wonder if CCP takes any action from petition. Most likely not, probably gives him some SP for a job well done.

Also, the article is biased piece of drivel but what is to expect from Goonies since their alt alliance is fighting on gallente side anyway.
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#42 - 2012-12-13 18:13:58 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
If the cals work together instead of as individual entities they could really ruin our day.


You mean, "I want all Caldari go to same place so it's easier for us to blob them since yes, we do outnumber them 2:1 at all given times".

Also, another of your miltiia members saw it courteous enough to call me a pedophile today (Recnarion from Lusitan Initiative). I wonder if CCP takes any action from petition. Most likely not, probably gives him some SP for a job well done.

The numerical advantage of gallente is only valid in lowsec. Caldari militia has more active members than gallente which has been shown several times to be true. It is hardly our fault that caldari are unmotivated to participate in lowsec warfare.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-12-13 18:13:59 UTC
Mich Farmer wrote:
.... a one man...


You're the gift that keeps giving, Damar. You generate so much content. I don't know where GalMil would be without you.
Soulless Brutor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-12-13 18:19:34 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Souless- You said consistently field 50ish. You're linking me fringe BRs and/or ganks. I can link similar BRs. Ganks happen everywhere.

Need I remind you that between Kraken, Happy, and Templis, that's 3 alliances with 300 pilots per. That's 900 pilots right there regardless of inactivity as happens with all organizations. This also doesn't include the pirate gangs like Exodus, OMS Pies and whatnot who constantly have to come to help you guys.

Cal Mil has this constant persecution complex for some reason. It's never your fault. It's always Gallente.

Fact of the matter is that alot of you guys are just bad and you don't hold yourself accountable for it. It's not that Gallente is l77t pvpers. It's just many of the Cal Mil pvp corps are really really bad. I remember when I, along with a few other people helped organize the Kinakka Eviction campaign for the T5 push. Alot of the fights were pretty even and MG would lead the fights. Somehow, we'd amazingly win some of these fights by wide margins. Mostly because there's no discipline in your fleets, you don't have secondary target callers and the leeroy mentality is huge.

Gallente does blob sometimes. But part of the issue is that our fleets consist of many corps and alliances who try their hardest to form some semblance of a doctrine to counter an alliance who already has an existing doctrine. Unfortunately, it rarely happens so you get these kitchen sink blobs to fight some of your decent shield nano gangs. Between the amount of time it takes to form the fleet, the constant gibberish on comms, and the final outcome (either blueballed or blobbed) , I personally make the decision to stick to smaller gang pew because I find it more fun and challenging. And quite frankly, less of a hassle.

I wish you luck in nullsec. But I don't think much will change for your alliance. You may get some bigger fights but many of your pilots will simply learn to be F1 monkeys rather than excellent small gang PVPers. You'll come back to Cal Mil and nothing will change.


Sigh Deen before you start making counter arguments you should been in gal fleets and see what I am talking about. I have had convo's and etc with other gal fc's and even they say they blob alot. And nice QQ rage at the comment there is no discipline in my fleets is a really nice rage comment. Not to mention the whole leeroy thing is because you won't fight us any other way unless gals have more then us aka Leeroy. You really need to learn about what you are talking about deen before saying any thing about it.

Any ways done with this argument between me and you feel free to QQ rage more, Thanks :)
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#45 - 2012-12-13 18:20:09 UTC
I didn't want to post this yet, but here we go.

People discuss stats without knowing what they are talking about.

Here is the Fac War stats raw off the feed: http://facwarstats.appspot.com/

This was the stats I built my spreadsheet that I posted here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0

As you can see, there are more Caldari then Gallente. If you cannot motivate or work with the people you DO have, that is a failure of leadership, not recruiting.

I really hope Happy Endings stay, I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together. The results is what you see today. We are not that difficult to stop I promise, we have done some boneheaded things too.

But most of all, please stop using numbers as an excuse. I was ganked the other day 3 v probably around 15 by Caldari who all boasted how leet they are. Ganks are ganks, fights are fights.
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#46 - 2012-12-13 18:29:16 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Eternal Corrosion wrote:
you could go to tier 5 if you want, but you dont do it because you will show how broke the balance is[/u]...
Crap, I told chatgris that guy on comms in our daily plexing strategy meeting was a spy. Did anybody listen? nope... *sigh*


And now they know about the daily plexing strategy meetings. Dude. Next you'll blow the whistle on the weekly meeting with pirates, and the every Tuesday ccp gallente hosted meeting where we sip mojitos and play world of tanks while cackling at the squids.


D'oh! I didn't know any of those meetings were super secret. I post the minutes on Reddit every week. Oops!
Soulless Brutor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-12-13 18:33:33 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
I didn't want to post this yet, but here we go.

People discuss stats without knowing what they are talking about.

Here is the Fac War stats raw off the feed: http://facwarstats.appspot.com/

This was the stats I built my spreadsheet that I posted here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0

As you can see, there are more Caldari then Gallente. If you cannot motivate or work with the people you DO have, that is a failure of leadership, not recruiting.

I really hope Happy Endings stay, I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together. The results is what you see today. We are not that difficult to stop I promise, we have done some boneheaded things too.

But most of all, please stop using numbers as an excuse. I was ganked the other day 3 v probably around 15 by Caldari who all boasted how leet they are. Ganks are ganks, fights are fights.


The numbers aren't a excuse they are fact just live in Black Rise for a month and actually look at gangs going around from caldari and gal's. There is a huge difference, you keep pulling numbers off a chart and ill say it again they are not actual numbers. The numbers you have provided just show the amount of people in a certain militia not the amount of active pvpers in low sec.
Mich Farmer
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-12-13 18:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mich Farmer
Ashterothi wrote:
I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together.


Actually what you did was go on massive whine campaign demanding CCP balance the plexes and that they eventually did by giving all occupied hostile systems 10+ plexes at every downtime with their changes and ultimately every caldari plexer burned out. Then they also removed the ecm from caldari rats while keeping gallente damps at full power and so on and so on.

Dont try to alter history when you obviously have no grasp of the events of the past.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#49 - 2012-12-13 18:58:53 UTC
Everyone ganks, everyone gets ganked. If fair fights are what you are looking for go drop a can outside jita 4-4. Though that rebuttal doesnt apply any more lol.

It really is tedious to see the same people whining over and over again that they get blobbed when just as often they blob whenever the chance comes. If you get blobbed over and over again it really is a failure of your intel, target selection and ability to divide an enemy force one way or another.

Even more tedious are the people (person) who is crying the loudest about how unfair things are for him when he has absolutely no interest in fairness and blobbed gallente for a solid year when we were on our asses and had no occupancy (before my time).

With those sentiments, i think the current system is pretty fair. Time for calmil to employ the resources that they have to get off the bottom rung. Shame most of the personalities hate each other. For good reasons it seems.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#50 - 2012-12-13 19:47:07 UTC
I don't think CCP loves GalMil, I think they just hate Damarr and try to screw him over whenever they can. I mean can you really blame them? His own mother didn't even like him, the scar on the top of his head from the attempted coat hanger abortion is proof of it.

He keeps claiming to be the victim, but the truth is he's the ******* that brings it on himself. How many times has he been banned for harassing players and what not in game? Speaks loads about his character as a person.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-12-13 19:57:01 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Wonder if anyone's ever tried to apply theories of combat fatigue to a videogame.

(snip)


The application would be a bit of a stretch since it's, well, a video game. People play video games for enjoyment and to unwind. Relatively few people experience moral qualms about doing violence to pixels. Death is a transitory game state rather than an existential end that heightens stress levels. You can stop playing at any time.

If people 'burn out' of EVE, it's generally because they get tired of the game, not because of stress-induced mental breakdown. Often, they come back after playing other games.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#52 - 2012-12-13 20:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Wonder if anyone's ever tried to apply theories of combat fatigue to a videogame.

(snip)


The application would be a bit of a stretch since it's, well, a video game. People play video games for enjoyment and to unwind. Relatively few people experience moral qualms about doing violence to pixels. Death is a transitory game state rather than an existential end that heightens stress levels. You can stop playing at any time.

If people 'burn out' of EVE, it's generally because they get tired of the game, not because of stress-induced mental breakdown. Often, they come back after playing other games.


Except I've seen Damar say he hates factional warfare and isn't playing for fun - if this is true, then maybe he's staying out of some sense of loyalty, and his behaviour over the years is possibly some kind of virtual stress induced mental breakdown?

I mean, US soldiers get this, and they are a volunteer army. It's not a completely implausible explanation.

Then again, I Am Not A Psychologist, but I thought the point that he doesn't actually seem to play for fun//to unwind may be relevant since you do seem to know what you are talking about.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-12-13 20:37:13 UTC
chatgris wrote:

Except I've seen Damar say he hates factional warfare and isn't playing for fun - if this is true, then maybe he's staying out of some sense of loyalty, and his behaviour over the years is possibly some kind of virtual stress induced mental breakdown?

I mean, US soldiers get this, and they are a volunteer army. It's not a completely implausible explanation.

Then again, I Am Not A Psychologist, but I thought the point that he doesn't actually seem to play for fun may be relevant since you do seem to know what you are talking about.


For the sake of my own mental health, I have avoided looking too deeply into the phenomenon of Damar Rocarion. There are pathos at work here, the investigation of which will lead one down a dark and uncertain path.

Better to accept that Damar exists, that the yawning chasm of the universe is vast enough to produce such things, and that, at any given time, Damar is orbiting a button somewhere.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#54 - 2012-12-13 20:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Soulless Brutor wrote:
Ashterothi wrote:
I didn't want to post this yet, but here we go.

People discuss stats without knowing what they are talking about.

Here is the Fac War stats raw off the feed: http://facwarstats.appspot.com/

This was the stats I built my spreadsheet that I posted here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0

As you can see, there are more Caldari then Gallente. If you cannot motivate or work with the people you DO have, that is a failure of leadership, not recruiting.

I really hope Happy Endings stay, I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together. The results is what you see today. We are not that difficult to stop I promise, we have done some boneheaded things too.

But most of all, please stop using numbers as an excuse. I was ganked the other day 3 v probably around 15 by Caldari who all boasted how leet they are. Ganks are ganks, fights are fights.


The numbers aren't a excuse they are fact just live in Black Rise for a month and actually look at gangs going around from caldari and gal's. There is a huge difference, you keep pulling numbers off a chart and ill say it again they are not actual numbers. The numbers you have provided just show the amount of people in a certain militia not the amount of active pvpers in low sec.


If what you say is true, then that's a failure of your leadership and other major alliances to push people into lowsec rather than living 2 jumps away in highsec Ichoriya. To quote your forwarded alliance mail where you guys announced you were moving to null;

Quote:

7. I've never been to null sec, what should I expect? There are some key differences that will be addressed in forthcoming mails and instructional fleets, stay tuned. As a PvP'er you will be pleased to find that the fights we have had in Black Rise are likely MUCH more difficult than those we will be encountering at our destination. To be blunt, I personally feel safer in null sec than low sec.


Emphasis mine.

TL:DR: Kraken took the easy way out and will end up being nullbears ;)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Aramu5
League of Angered Gentlemen
#55 - 2012-12-13 20:45:45 UTC
Holy Sh*t Kraken's on tv!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness gents, lets not try and escalate the drama over an internet spaceship game shall we? :P

People usually get tired of same ships, same fights and same escalations over and over again but hey I'd gladly suicide my fleet if I see bunch of you knuckleheads out there causing trouble.

It has been really fun for the past 7 months and behalf of my guys, so thanks for putting up fights instead of rolling in with bunch of t1 frigates (you know who you are :P)

We have been blobbed and we did blob so both sides have a valid argument.
It's hard to determine a fair fight on usual basis, even though everyone bitches about it hehe.

Stats wise would suggest considering the possibility of many many many gal alts safely reallocating themselves in calmil?
Won't be surprised if bunch of people dropped caldari to switch sides since the iskies were much greater after the ninja patch on the other end... but again don't know the actual metrics and dont really care since we were happy shooting people left and right anyway.

Its been a real pleasure fighting with / against you fellas. You gave us a hell of a show.

We'll miss you allot.

Fly Dangerously,

Aram
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#56 - 2012-12-13 21:09:47 UTC
Soulless Brutor wrote:
Ashterothi wrote:
I didn't want to post this yet, but here we go.

People discuss stats without knowing what they are talking about.

Here is the Fac War stats raw off the feed: http://facwarstats.appspot.com/

This was the stats I built my spreadsheet that I posted here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai-Di2DS6zcTdFktVjhWVFU2bVJjb2syd2hybUhIMkE#gid=0

As you can see, there are more Caldari then Gallente. If you cannot motivate or work with the people you DO have, that is a failure of leadership, not recruiting.

I really hope Happy Endings stay, I HOPE Caldari use this as a rallying point, instead of a chance to make excuses and wine. When Gallente was "behind" we HTFU and banded together. The results is what you see today. We are not that difficult to stop I promise, we have done some boneheaded things too.

But most of all, please stop using numbers as an excuse. I was ganked the other day 3 v probably around 15 by Caldari who all boasted how leet they are. Ganks are ganks, fights are fights.


The numbers aren't a excuse they are fact just live in Black Rise for a month and actually look at gangs going around from caldari and gal's. There is a huge difference, you keep pulling numbers off a chart and ill say it again they are not actual numbers. The numbers you have provided just show the amount of people in a certain militia not the amount of active pvpers in low sec.

I am trying very hard to not troll here, but I am having difficulty figuring out if you are serious. What it sounds like you are saying is that the statistics don't count, because Caldari pilots are not actually effective like the Gallente, and that somehow this is CCP and Gallente's fault.

Shocked
Kohlzor Annages
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#57 - 2012-12-13 21:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kohlzor Annages
I don’t usually post but was following this thread and thought of adding my 2 cents..

I am not speaking on behalf of my alliance but just as an EVE player who’s only been playing Since March 2012.
I think FW is great and it has definitely been fun. The main reason I joined was to PVP and there is definitely a lot of it.
With the recent changes to FW you can’t deny that there is a difference in active GAL and CAL militia numbers (ACTIVE).
The guys that I fly with are not in FW to make ISK so we usually get on and try to get some good fights. Everyone knows where we are based out off and in all honestly it was pretty good till a few weeks ago. Besides our alliance members it seems like
Everyone’s dropped out of Cal mil or has just become in active. One alliance alone can’t flip systems or try to maintain any sort of balance. Maybe this is the reason other alliances also left FW but I can’t be sure. For anyone that says GAL MIL hasn’t grown is on
Drugs. I am also pretty sure that a lot of CAL MIL guys created GAL alts to take advantage of the T4 LP. I have never seen so many active GAL militia members since I have been playing (Only a few months I know). For e.g. yesterday evening I went to every plex in Rakapas, PYNE, Retisato each one has 2-3 gals running it. While before the patch we would wait outside NEN station for hours to get a fight. At some point you realize its just not worth loosing your ship and you dock back up and I think that’s the current state of CAL Mil the ones that stuck around don’t see the benefit of giving Gal’s easy kills. I think this will remain the case until CAL Mil grows again or Gal’s hit T5 and get bored of farming.

BTW think about it why wouldn’t you join the GAL militia if you could make more ISK and get some sort of PVP? Any new player that may be looking at FW will obviously join Gal’s it just makes sense as you need ISK to be able to PVP and lose ships. So this is definitely contributing to active gal members.

Anyways its still fun though I might have to make some ISK if I want to keep loosing ships :) Sorry for the long post
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#58 - 2012-12-13 21:15:34 UTC
Kohlzor Annages wrote:
I dont usually post but was following this thread and thought of adding my 2 cents..

I am not speaking on behalf of my alliance but just as an EVE player whos only been playing Since March 2012.
I think FW is great and it has defenitly been fun. The main reason I joined was to PVP and there is defenitly a lot of it.
With the recent changes to FW you cant deny that there is a differnce in active GAL and CAL militia numbers (ACTIVE).
The guys that I fly with are not in FW to make ISK so we usually get on and try to get some good fights. Everyone knows where
we are based out off and in all honestly it was pretty good till a few weeks ago. Besides our alliance members it seems like
everyones dropped out of Cal mil or has just become in active. One alliance alone cant flip systems or try to maintain any sort of balance. Maye this is the reason other alliances also left FW but I cant be sure. For anyone that says GAL MIL hasnt grown is on
drugs. I am also pretty sure that a lot of CAL MIL guys created GAL alts to take advantage of the T4 LP. I have never seen so many active GAL militia members since I have been playing (Only a few months I know). For eg. yesterday evening I went to every plex in Rakapas, PYNE, Retisato each one has 2-3 gals running it. While before the patch we would wait outside NEN station for hours to get a fight. At some point you realize its just not worth loosing your ship and you dock back up and I think thats the current state of CAL Mil the ones that stuck around dont see the benefit of giving GAL's easy kills. I think this will remain the case until CAL Mil grows again or GAL's hit T5 and get bored of farming.

Anways its still fun though I might have to make some ISK if I want to keep loosing ships :)

Fly Safe.

Hey man thanks, it is fun and honestly the warzone becoming one sided will be bad for everyone besides the lp farmers, so I don't want that either.

I would love to talk with some members of the Happy Endings crew, maybe get the other side of the story, I have grown to have a lot of respect for a quite a few of you.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#59 - 2012-12-13 21:40:29 UTC
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
[
The application would be a bit of a stretch since it's, well, a video game. People play video games for enjoyment and to unwind.


Actually, a quite a lot of people don't play video games to relax, but because they are looking for a challenging and competitive environment. While they are probably having fun whilst playing, it is most certainly not in a low stress manner.

In that respect, stress burnout is quite plausible, especially in games like EVE where the pressure can be on nonstop for hours or days.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-12-13 23:43:06 UTC
Does the article say anything more than one side got handed Tier 4 then FW was changed so that offensive plexing was hard but defensive plexing was real easy so nothing happened until Retribution which was so farmer friendly that it is back to farmville again.

Because that is really what is happening. Anyone can say whatever they want (it's fun to troll!) but both Gallente and Caldari pvp segments of the militia pale in comparison to the farmer segment. When old FW was in full effect both Caldari and Gallente could not hold onto systems because of farmers and it is back to that.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. My gallente friends are a bit worried that fights will start to dry up if caldari hit t1 because they won't have isk to use for whelp fleets and they won't fight for plex since they are meaningless at t1 or caldari corps will just bail. Kind of reminds me of 0.0 sov wars, a lot of territory changes hands in a short period of time but no real epic fights to talk about. I thought we were trying to get away from that...